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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that applying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today is Monday January

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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a total undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful in here

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that's a good song by Queen's Right look

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I'd like to welcome everybody listening

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all around the world all across the

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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unex and Game Changer networks I am your

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host Jimmy Church

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how you doing

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all right gotta got a crazy week

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lined up straight in front of us of

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Black and I love that when that happens

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tonight Chrissy Newton is here

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going to be discussing his new book the

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empires of Atlantis which I do have and

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and Wednesday night right now it's TBA

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Thursday to Wednesday and then the guest

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for Wednesday will just move to Monday

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that and uh it's just gonna be great I'm

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she's listening right now Jimmy can you

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introduce me on Friday and Shima more

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right follow me on Twitter at J Church

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radio the sandbox is hashtag f2b on

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um and very rarely talk about it on the

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show but there's uh something that's

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Bowl and that was this weekend and the

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playoff games the last two weeks have

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an incredible day of playoff games

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yesterday the two championship games but

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anyway uh it's the LA Rams against the

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Cincinnati Bengals in the Super Bowl

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here in L.A in Inglewood in two weeks so

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conscious life Expo is next weekend the

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weekend after that is the Super Bowl

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l-a-l-a-x the Hilton that's crazy town

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there at Sofi Stadium of the Rams and uh

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the amount of fans that were at the

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hotel it was just it was just crazy so

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get to the breaking news

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Howard Hessman

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enshrined in pop culture history for his

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role as radio disc jockey Dr Johnny

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Fever on the TV show WKRP in Cincinnati

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from complications of colon surgery he

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was 81 years old and everybody talks

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about WKRP he slayed the dragon in this

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his spinal tap that's I'm just going to

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leave that right there all right weather

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warned people over the weekend to be

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iguanas falling from trees as

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temperatures dropped uh to the low 25

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degrees Fahrenheit in the southern state

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for iguanas which rely on chemical

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reactions in the body to produce energy

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the unusually Frosty weather can render

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the cold-blooded animals sluggish and

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unable to remain attached

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in their tree habitats

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reigning iguanas in Florida

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earlier today a cruise ship forced the

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delay of a SpaceX launch after traveling

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under the planned flight path of the

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rocket Elon Musk company was set to

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launch the rocket from Cape Canaveral

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space force station in order to put an

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earth Imaging satellite into orbit

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the Coast Guard cannot clear the liner

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out of the Rocket's downrange Hazard

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area in time for the launch causing

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another delay just 33 seconds before the

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will make the attempt again today it may

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this is the fourth time such a launch

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well China and Russia have confirmed

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that they are joining forces to build a

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research station on the moon

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by 2035 which will rival NASA's lunar

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Gateway confirmation of plans to build

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country's National Space Agency Russia

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that it plans to survey that crater that

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the moon in early March calling the

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event an exciting research opportunity

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the rocket was deployed in 2015 to put

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NASA satellites into orbit and its

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second stage or booster has been

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floating in the cosmos ever since on its

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expected to impact The Far Side of the

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Moon on March 4th let's get the show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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mini driver

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Point Blank I'm just gonna leave it

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right there Justin Timberlake today is

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40. Johnny Rotten lighten of the Sex

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Pistols today is 65. and you know it's

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it's a tough call

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Sex Pistols right change the world or

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what was the better band

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tough call KC if Casey in the Sunshine

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Band today is 71 and guitarist Adrian

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Vandenberg today is 68 of course

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Vandenberg and white snake and what was

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that Vandenberg hit this this

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Lonely Heart of mine ah man I can sing

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ah man Vandenberg our dead guy's

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birthday today is Terry Kath 1946 to

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1978 died at the age of 31 Terry was a

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founding member of Chicago

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he played guitar and sing lead vocals on

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many of the band's early hits including

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I'm a man Color My World

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make me smile right

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and wishing you were here Terry died on

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January 23 1978 in Woodland Hills

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California from an unintentional

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self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head

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he was just 31 years old

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we'll leave it right there on this day

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otd 1971

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Apollo 14 departs for the moon with

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astronauts Edgar Mitchell

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Alan Shepard and Stuart Russo

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on this day in 1971 fader fact

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this is crazy

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love doing fader facts are you ready as

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of today

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there are only 12 Kmart stores remaining

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in the United States

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yeah at its peak in 1994

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tonight we have very special guest

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Chrissy Newton is with us of the debrief

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joining us for the first time this is

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going to be a great conversation tonight

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stay right there tomorrow night Marco

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vegado is with us also for the first

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time to discuss his new book the empires

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of Atlantis Wednesday night it's TBA

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right now and I've just explained why

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Thursday may be another fader night

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maybe Wednesday is a fader night maybe

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Wednesday I'm going to have a First Time

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guest and then Wednesday and then

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Thursday we might have open lines I'll

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figure it out I'll get back to you right

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I like my coffee doc

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I do

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exciting research opportunity says NASA

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I know right

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here we go

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now

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in the interests

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of The Princess Bride

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and one of my favorite things to say

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which is this

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I'm not I'm not sure you know what that

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that's right

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and in this case it's actually

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cognitive

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dissonance

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everybody uses that

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oh it says sounds like cognitive

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dissonance to me

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you know

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trying to sound smart

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well

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check this out it's time to get your

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learn on

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let's start with the classic definition

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from the dictionary

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it's a noun the state of having

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inconsistent thoughts beliefs or

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attitudes

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especially as relating to behavioral

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we know it as a discomfort

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that is triggered by a person's belief

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clashing with new information

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and the individual tries to find a way

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to resolve the contradiction to reduce

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that

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discomfort

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yeah

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cognitive dissonance results when two

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cognitions contradict each other

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creating psychological discomfort

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there are four main principles on which

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cognitive dissonance is based the most

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important is whether any two cognitions

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are relevant or not if they are relevant

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then they are either dissonant or

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consonant if dissonant psychological

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discomfort arises

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people are ultimately motivated to

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diffuse

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this arousal

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okay cool we get it but

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did you know

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that the creation

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the introduction in this study of

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cognitive dissonance

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came from a UFO cult from 1953 did you

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know that

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you didn't

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that's right so stay with me

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The Seekers

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also called the Brotherhood of the seven

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rays

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was a UFO religion from the early 1950s

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from the Midwest

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The Seekers was originally formed in

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1953 by Charles laughhead

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that's right a staff member at Michigan

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State University and led by one Dorothy

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Martin a housewife from Chicago

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now Dorothy said that aliens from the

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planet Clarion had told her the world

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was coming to an end sometime in 1955

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and believed that a UFO would come save

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them from the catastrophe on December 17

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they have made

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probably the first UFO religion

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talking about 1953 here and they were

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the subject of the book when prophecy

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fails by Leon festinger

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after reading a newspaper article

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written about Martin

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passenger rounded up a handful of

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psychologists and psychology students to

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pose as converts to Martin's small group

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of seekers gaining their trust and

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recording the group's actions during

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their final days

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well

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The Seekers got together on December 17

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1954 and waited for a UFO to show up and

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save everyone

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at midnight when the 17th became the

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18th Dorothy claimed to receive a

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message that the Flying Saucer was

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coming right then and everybody had to

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get on board or be left behind

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I tried

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for her followers this new message

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served as confirmation that they had

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been right to believe so they scrambled

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outside they looked up

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there was nothing there

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and when nothing happened and the UFO

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was a no-show

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Dorothy said that it would be there in

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three more days

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on December 21st

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that's right

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so the group stuck it out

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but on December 21st

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this is the deal

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whole thing went to Christmas Eve

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and excuses were made and Dorothy had

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said she heard this and there was a

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reason for it and the group just

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accepted it because they didn't want

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their belief system changed on on

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December 24th half half of the town of

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Oak Ridge Oak Park

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showed up they're singing carols outside

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there's a huge crowd

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huge crowd

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that's right the next week Dorothy was

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placed under psychiatric care to prevent

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the Oak Park police of charging her with

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inciting a riot after a boisterous crowd

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blocked traffic on Christmas Eve outside

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the Martin home at 707 South Kyler

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Avenue Oak Park after Mrs Martin had

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predicted that she and her Associates

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would be lifted up that night by

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Spacemen end quote that is the press

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release from the police department

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in 1956 festinger Henry W Rankin and

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Stanley schachter produced when prophecy

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fails a social and psychological study

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of a modern group that predicted the

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destruction of the world

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an account of their time inside Martin's

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group through uh though

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this is a work of psychology

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it reads like investigative journalism

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in it the term cognitive dissonance was

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created and used for the first time

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and after that Dorothy dropped out of

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sight

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that's right

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when someone of The Seekers followed her

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to Peru specifically Lake Titicaca

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but after a year everybody split back to

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the States and left her down there all

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alone

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in the early 60s Dorothy returned to the

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United States and found a home in Mount

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Shasta California by then she changed

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her name to sister thedre

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and founded the association of sananda

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sister thedra

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died in 1992 in Sedona Arizona at the

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age of 92.

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now we may not ever know what happened

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to Planet Clarion that was hidden behind

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our moon or the UFO Rescue Mission from

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1954 and I am sure that Dorothy had

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nothing but the best of intentions and I

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don't know how she was getting these

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messages from space this happened in

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1953.

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at the dawn of everything and if we go

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back now Roswell what we know about

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Roswell today there were no Little Green

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Men talked about in 1947 in the Press

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contact with E.T and and visitors from

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space this was a rare thing George

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zadamski hadn't happened yet

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that was later this was the first

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experience like this

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like I said I'm sure Dorothy had the

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best of intentions and I don't know

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how she got these messages

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but people believed her and when it

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didn't happen they found a way to still

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believe her

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and that's where cognitive dissonance

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came from

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now that you know the origins the next

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time you say it I hope that you think of

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Dorothy Martin seriously now

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there's plenty of information out there

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on the Seekers go and look them up

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plenty has been written the studies are

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there

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and for anybody that that is part of the

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UFO subject this story The Seekers and

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Dorothy Martin

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this is ufology 101.

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that's why I do this show I'm your host

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Jimmy church this is Fade to Black

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tonight right here Chrissy Newton of the

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Chrissy Newton of the debrief joins us

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for the first time tomorrow night Marco

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vegado is here also for the first time

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we're going to be discussing his new

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book the empires of Atlantis Wednesday

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night folks is TVA we'll figure it out

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don't panic

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I'm Yours Timmy church I'm the game

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changer and unex networks race Hobbs

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I'll be right back with tonight's guest

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Chrissy Newton right after this short

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break Stay With Me

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[Music]

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on the game changer Radio Network

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hi this is Rob Reiner from Anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy

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radio

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00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,050
all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm

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your host Jimmy church tonight Chrissy

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00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:06,839
Newton of the debrief joins us tomorrow

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00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:07,740
night

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00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:10,859
Marco vegado also here for the first

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00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,839
time he's going to discuss his new book

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00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:14,460
the empires of Atlantis Wednesday

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00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,579
night's TVA don't make any plans we'll

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figure something out I'll get back to

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00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,839
you all right but tonight it's all about

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00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,040
Chrissy

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director of media and PR for the debris

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00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:27,180
joining us for the first time we're

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00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,579
going to be talking about UFOs uaps and

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00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:32,640
everything else that is covered over not

617
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,940
only by the media but by the debris and

618
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,160
uh and the researchers who are pushing

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00:36:42,609 --> 00:36:40,619
things forward towards disclosure with

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00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,619
an eye on the cosmos the world beyond

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00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,839
the world beyond our own has always been

622
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:47,940
a Fascination for Chrissy from UFO's

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00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:50,460
astronomy to ancient civilizations her

624
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:55,800
curiosity is as limited as as Limitless

625
00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:00,060
as The Universe She is an owner of vocab

626
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:01,980
Communications and co-hosts the podcast

627
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,760
alt pop repeat she also hosts the tech

628
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,099
science and defense and UFO themed show

629
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,980
called rebelliously curious with Chrissy

630
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:13,200
Newton on the debrief YouTube channel

631
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,720
and website of course you can find

632
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:17,940
everything over at thedebrief.org I

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00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,079
would like to welcome to the first time

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00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,880
to fade to black Chrissy Newton Chrissy

635
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
good evening good evening Jimmy so good

636
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:26,160
to be here great to talk to you yeah

637
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,220
this is this is awesome okay

638
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:30,420
let's get the First Time guest

639
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:32,940
disclaimer out of the way let's just do

640
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:35,579
that now which is Chrissy this it's just

641
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,500
you and I sitting on my couch having a

642
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:39,540
conversation as friends and where that

643
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:41,220
conversation starts it starts where it

644
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,079
ends it ends but we're gonna end his

645
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,599
friends there you go you ready I like

646
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:47,880
that I'm ready yeah he's ready he's born

647
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:51,839
ready this is this is uh this is pretty

648
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,280
exciting times and uh there's uh there's

649
00:38:03,170 --> 00:37:59,280
no doubt that the efforts and the work

650
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:03,180
of the debrief has uh been been at the

651
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:05,220
center of this too as well pushing this

652
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:06,780
forward

653
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:09,420
um but this community hasn't been this

654
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:12,839
excited in in a very very long time

655
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,020
but I look at you and I and I understand

656
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,660
where you're coming from but that part

657
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,520
of it doesn't compute for me it doesn't

658
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,220
make any sense what are you doing here

659
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:26,099
how did you get here

660
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,220
oh it's such a big question well I

661
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,680
started here in this community when I

662
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:34,200
was six with my dad I've told this story

663
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,060
before to other people into other

664
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:38,700
outlets as well my dad had a UFO

665
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,020
sighting

666
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,680
um when he was about 19 or 20. so you

667
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:45,240
know I'll give the shorter form of it

668
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:46,740
but he was with a group of people

669
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,380
driving up north in Canada and he was on

670
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:51,480
a highway and they pulled over and they

671
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,119
saw a UFO above them and it was actually

672
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,700
a smaller craft and he ended up taking a

673
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:59,040
picture of it but mine is outside of

674
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,260
taking the picture there's a group of

675
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,180
them and they flash the lights of the

676
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:05,880
UFO and the UFO flashed back at them

677
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:08,099
so my dad had this experience with him

678
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,160
has ever changed his life and when I was

679
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:13,740
younger he showed me that photo and I've

680
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,960
said this for many times but it lit up

681
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,060
everything inside of me and from there

682
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:20,160
you know I was kind of back on I was on

683
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:22,020
his journey while he was trying to

684
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,060
figure this out so my dad's still a

685
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,400
massive UFO you know researcher in his

686
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,140
own way he speaks to people in the

687
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:29,940
community he's gone to conventions as

688
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:32,460
well he's really quiet in that space But

689
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,980
he knows a lot of people from what I've

690
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,320
been finding out over the years too that

691
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,300
he's been talking to within even our

692
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,280
community in Toronto outside of Toronto

693
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,380
in a town called Kitchener that have had

694
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:45,240
their own UFO experiences and I've met

695
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,859
some of them some of them sent me orb

696
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,900
footage recently so it's been an

697
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,160
interesting thing where my father's

698
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:52,140
passed this down to me and I'm just

699
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:54,300
really happy he did to be honest did he

700
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:57,480
drag you to a UFO conferences no I

701
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,420
dragged him oh right on right now yeah

702
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,060
yeah we used to joke around saying that

703
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,800
we wanted to go to like the only one we

704
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:06,480
really knew back then was probably the

705
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,940
Roswell and so my parents bought a place

706
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:10,800
in Arizona years ago they bought a condo

707
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:13,500
and they would Snowbird so I think was

708
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:15,000
the first year they bought it I just

709
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,500
said you know what I'm like let's go to

710
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,720
a UFO conference and I think I was 25

711
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:20,280
around that time when I started looking

712
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:22,680
I don't quote me but anyway I started

713
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,079
Googling it and I found a conference and

714
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:27,119
I'm like Dad like I was visiting them so

715
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,560
I ran out and I was like do you know

716
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,140
where this is I forget where something

717
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:33,599
springs and he was like yeah that's like

718
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,160
45 minutes from the house I'm like

719
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:37,500
there's the largest UFO convention in

720
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,180
the world is there and one of the most

721
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,280
notable and he was like get tickets so I

722
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,440
was like buying tickets and we were

723
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:45,180
planning the trip and it kind of just

724
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,740
started to unravel from there and we

725
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:48,480
would go together and then we walked in

726
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,740
the conference the first time together

727
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:51,720
and I looked at him and it sounds so

728
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,400
corny but I said to him I was like these

729
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:55,619
are our people dead and I felt it fell

730
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:57,900
weirdly at home along with like all

731
00:41:01,450 --> 00:40:59,579
different types of people it was it was

732
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:01,460
one of my best experiences I've ever had

733
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:04,980
my own pension how old were you

734
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,220
I thank God I've been going since 2014.

735
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:11,040
I'm 38 now so what is that math I think

736
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:14,220
I was like 20 six years is it it's been

737
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:15,780
Elizabeth more than six years seven

738
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:18,599
years so yeah so I think it started it

739
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,800
might have been it's probably been about

740
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,380
10 years now then because I know that I

741
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,300
did one of my first interviews with

742
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:26,339
Travis Walton and I actually brought a

743
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,960
camera down in 2000 I believe 2015 and

744
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,480
then it was just before 2017 and I was

745
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:35,160
talking to BuzzFeed about it and I

746
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,540
started kind of doing my own independent

747
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:39,359
journalism around 2015 but I think I was

748
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,220
there three years prior to that as well

749
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,440
just guessing and now kind of being

750
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:45,780
behind the scenes now here's the thing

751
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,420
that sounds new and fresh but you've

752
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:50,940
been doing this uh you know since you

753
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,099
were six investigating UFOs and

754
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:56,240
interested in the subject but you also

755
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,920
are in PR public relations and and how

756
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:04,200
well tell us about that what do you do

757
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,060
what what is TR

758
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,240
well PR the way that I I'm a Storyteller

759
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:11,280
that's my job I tell stories but I tell

760
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:12,839
stories for people or I tell them for

761
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,420
Brands so in this case I tell our

762
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,280
stories from the debrief and tell

763
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:19,800
stories that are media stories but what

764
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:22,020
I generally do outside of entertainment

765
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,359
and lifestyle and consumer Brands and

766
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,160
businesses I'm really the middleman

767
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,500
between the media and a brand or a

768
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:30,660
person so what I usually tell everybody

769
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:32,579
is that journalists can't know

770
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:35,400
everything every single day it takes a

771
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,079
lot of people informing other people of

772
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,760
what's going on and I'm one of those

773
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,560
when it comes to pitching a producer an

774
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:42,599
editor and building those relationships

775
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,420
and mine's very much on transparency and

776
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,160
how I pitch I'm not a spinner because

777
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:50,160
everyone calls us like the dark side I

778
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,020
don't spin if anything if I do spin it's

779
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,480
for positive and it's for awareness I

780
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,520
don't believe in any form of type of

781
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,520
manipulation in that side so PR can have

782
00:43:03,609 --> 00:43:01,140
a really bad rap it's getting better now

783
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:03,619
but it's always had a bad rap for years

784
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,400
so let's back up for a second uh let's

785
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:10,619
go to college

786
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:13,740
um I'm assuming you can correct me but

787
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,140
you were in Communications in in college

788
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,140
yeah I did so I went to University in

789
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:21,300
Toronto went to York University and I

790
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,859
was in school for theater and then I did

791
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:25,200
my ba and when I was in my second year

792
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,960
of theater I realized what PR was and I

793
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:29,400
was like I've been doing this my entire

794
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,500
life right why am I not getting into

795
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,839
this field so I threw myself into it

796
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,060
second year I finished with a ba and

797
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,680
then right after that I went and did my

798
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:39,119
post grad for corporate Communications

799
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,160
and public relations

800
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:43,200
um and then from there since I was 25 I

801
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:44,940
started my company and then I've always

802
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:47,579
just been doing PR so you're out there

803
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:50,099
in the pr World

804
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,400
um in the let's just let's call it the

805
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:55,920
real world okay it's the fake world but

806
00:44:03,770 --> 00:43:59,180
let's say it's the real world in that

807
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,780
you have to live the corporate life in a

808
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:05,099
corporate image

809
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,700
but but at home you've got UFOs in the

810
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:09,839
closet

811
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:13,800
right yes yes so now you've got to

812
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,520
figure out something here did you did

813
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,280
you keep the UFOs in the closet did you

814
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,859
did I'm making this up I don't know if

815
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:24,420
you've ever worked for Coca-Cola or

816
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:27,300
Verizon but when you're pitching your PR

817
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,500
firm

818
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:31,079
you're not bringing up alien abductions

819
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,240
and and anal probes no no by far wasn't

820
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,579
even talking about it everyone knew me

821
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,520
since I was a kid that loved UFOs and I

822
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:42,900
would talk about it with certain clients

823
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:45,000
certain people that were open to it but

824
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,060
way before 2017 I just couldn't because

825
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,160
I was scared I'd be blacklisted even

826
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:52,020
though people in the UFO Community were

827
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,359
were saying to me like Chrissy like we

828
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,920
need to use you know you need to be able

829
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,720
to get involved in this and be able to

830
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,640
talk to media and can you see stories

831
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:01,859
and I would say as much as I want to I

832
00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:03,480
can't because I I want to be able to

833
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,300
work I want to have a business

834
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,160
seriously and I was young I wanted to

835
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,599
still build my name I was building a

836
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:11,400
company I was building a brand

837
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,020
you know and it was something that I've

838
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,660
always wanted to do and PR was it was

839
00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:18,240
always a passion and same with UFOs so I

840
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,980
never had the chance to really bring

841
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,839
them together until you know this past

842
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:23,099
year or so working with the debrief

843
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,300
which has been amazing now do you do you

844
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,720
feel a sense of Freedom now uh that that

845
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,280
you know through your efforts and

846
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:35,280
efforts of of others where this is now

847
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:38,520
in the media it is a subject that seems

848
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:41,819
to be okay to finally talk about does

849
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,599
that make life easier for you and and

850
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:48,480
are you okay now uh talking publicly

851
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:51,180
about the UFO subject with somebody in a

852
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:52,980
board room that you're pitching PR to

853
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,500
yeah most people bring it up to me now

854
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,720
right so yeah people will talk about it

855
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:59,760
I haven't lost any clients because I

856
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,319
like this conversation and I like the

857
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,240
topic which some people might consider

858
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,160
Fringe and I consider more you know

859
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:07,200
subculture going obviously mainstream

860
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:10,619
but it's been interesting because I

861
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,119
think and I will say this and I'm not

862
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:14,640
100 sure it's just my speculation that

863
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:17,700
an outlet might have blacklisted Me

864
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:20,579
Maybe in Toronto I pitched them and I

865
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,960
said to them I haven't heard back from

866
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,220
them and I've worked with them for years

867
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,619
and years and years and I haven't heard

868
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,359
back from them well I have but they said

869
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:29,040
oh we're just doing internal stories and

870
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,800
to me that just doesn't sound right and

871
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:33,420
I've been it's been the past year since

872
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:35,160
I've started this that I've noticed that

873
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,599
they haven't really been picking up any

874
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,040
stories from me or the people that work

875
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,680
at vocab Communications either so I

876
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:42,480
don't know if it's a UFO talk or it's

877
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:44,280
just the fact that maybe the stories

878
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,540
aren't sitting with them the way it

879
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,220
would but it's really weird for a year

880
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,960
that the one specific Outlet we haven't

881
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,060
landed something but everywhere else in

882
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,560
the media landscape I've had no problem

883
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,800
and to be honest American Media is way

884
00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:57,180
more likely to talk about this than

885
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,819
Canadian media well and and why is that

886
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:02,160
I did want to talk about Canada

887
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:05,819
specifically uh why is that I have

888
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:09,480
always felt it was the opposite that it

889
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,560
Canada had a more open mind trying to to

890
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,960
everything as opposed to the United

891
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:18,060
States and you're saying it's the

892
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,740
opposite that it's more difficult to

893
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,079
push these stories through yeah you

894
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,480
would think that we were you know you

895
00:47:28,250 --> 00:47:26,520
would think that as a country that is

896
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,260
very liberal and conservative in its own

897
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,300
ways but when it comes to these

898
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,400
conversations we don't and same with the

899
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
American government doesn't really it's

900
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:36,000
just you know let's give it to one

901
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,619
person we're not really going to

902
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:39,839
research it there's no real ridicule

903
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,460
around it through government that we see

904
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,500
as much it's not that people are fired

905
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,359
but they're not really looked at and

906
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:47,220
respected earlier now it's kind of

907
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:50,040
changed but they're still not interested

908
00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:52,200
in it and I don't think they will be and

909
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,819
it's going to take some form of lobbying

910
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,980
or conversation within the Canadian

911
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,660
government in a group of people you know

912
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,400
I was talking to David um Daniel Otis

913
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,960
about this as well too and a whole bunch

914
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,640
of other writers that that work in

915
00:48:07,549 --> 00:48:05,339
Canada around UFOs and freelance around

916
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:07,559
the topic and we all kind of agree that

917
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,900
there needs to be a shift but it hasn't

918
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,000
happened yet and I would love to be one

919
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,440
of those people to start that shift

920
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,839
along with them as well but we kind of

921
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:18,180
have to start somewhere and lobbyists

922
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:20,099
kind of in our own way for the American

923
00:48:24,049 --> 00:48:22,020
government and for media to pay more

924
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,059
attention to it because the first story

925
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:27,000
that really broke about UFOs it took we

926
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,619
well when we broke our first story too

927
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,660
with the debrief it took about two weeks

928
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,180
for Canadian media to even pick it up

929
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,880
so it's a long time and really we do

930
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:37,859
follow a lot of American press it just

931
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:41,359
happens now what what about uh getting

932
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,420
uh acclimated into the Canadian UFO

933
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,180
Community which I I think is is one of

934
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,540
the stronger Parts uh in the world uh

935
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:53,760
some of the Canadian researchers are are

936
00:49:00,049 --> 00:48:57,180
the best uh how did you how did you

937
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,059
wiggle your way into that yeah that's a

938
00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:02,220
good question well it started with

939
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:04,619
Victor vigiani I had a friend of mine

940
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:07,319
that used to work at Nasa and he was was

941
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:09,780
teaching Aerospace walking I believe and

942
00:49:15,069 --> 00:49:12,119
I met him I think I actually met him

943
00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:15,079
online in a dating app to be honest

944
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,059
hello Fred seriously I think it was

945
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:20,579
maybe on like Tinder or Bumble or

946
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,020
whatever I don't think Bumble existed

947
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:24,480
then but I met him years ago and I was

948
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,339
really curious and I never knew anybody

949
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,040
and this is um I must have been around

950
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,280
26 or 27 but I never knew anybody in

951
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:34,440
that space that worked for you know any

952
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,420
form of government within like space

953
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,240
Aerospace whatever it may be so we went

954
00:49:45,049 --> 00:49:42,900
out and I I took him to an event a media

955
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,059
event and we became friends and we got

956
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,559
along really well and I found out that

957
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,780
he loved UFOs and he's like do you know

958
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,520
who Paul Hellyer it is and I'm like oh

959
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:52,619
gosh yeah I know who Paul halyard is and

960
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,119
he's like well Paul's having a dinner if

961
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:56,940
you or like a speak at this um at this

962
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,859
book like seminar then we're gonna go to

963
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,900
dinner after do you want to come I was

964
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:03,839
like 100 can I bring my dad and he's

965
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,119
like yeah bring your bring your dad so

966
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,680
I'm like amazing so I call my dad I'm

967
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:09,119
like Dad we're going to this dinner and

968
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,579
he's like oh my God so while I'm at the

969
00:50:15,230 --> 00:50:13,140
dinner he introduces me to Victor

970
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,240
vigiani which has been working closely

971
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,180
with Paul Heller for years so Paul uh

972
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:20,880
like Victor and I hit it off immensely

973
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:22,740
and then I find out later on that he's

974
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:24,540
kind of being like the pr person in

975
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,940
Canada so before him you know being a

976
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,280
principal he would was then I believe

977
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:31,200
doing his own radio show for a little

978
00:50:36,290 --> 00:50:33,960
bit and talking about UFOs when it was

979
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,300
extremely Fringe and then he was sending

980
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:38,880
emails to Media members and trying to

981
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:41,880
shed light on this way before media you

982
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,380
would you know it wasn't even something

983
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:45,839
that would happen back then so at that

984
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,339
point you know some people thought I

985
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:48,960
would imagine that Victor was a little

986
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:50,819
bit of a Looney Tune and whatnot and

987
00:50:56,089 --> 00:50:53,099
media wasn't taking him seriously

988
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,099
and then it started to shift and I

989
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,720
became friends with Victor and we'd go

990
00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:59,520
out for dinner almost monthly at times

991
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,619
just talking about UFOs talking about

992
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,680
what's happening in society and just

993
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,240
became like a really good friend and

994
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,980
then I would give him advice and then he

995
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:09,359
would give me advice and I would talk

996
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,980
about how he could go about pitching

997
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:12,720
media and what strategy would look like

998
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:14,940
that and how to make it attractive

999
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:18,960
so at one point when I was in Mexico in

1000
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,079
2017 and everything broke the story

1001
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,540
broke with Louella zondo in the New York

1002
00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,300
Times and Victor just texted me and he's

1003
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,819
like Chrissy can you believe it and as a

1004
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,920
publicist you're finally like oh my God

1005
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,800
we we broke through like we finally

1006
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,240
broke through the community broke

1007
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:38,400
through and I just remember just being

1008
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:40,020
ecstatic probably drank too many

1009
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,559
cocktails like and then realized that

1010
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,780
this was going to be a change that was a

1011
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,240
shift for sure and at that point that's

1012
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:50,160
when I started to dive even deeper and

1013
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,720
then Victor started to bringing me in

1014
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:53,640
bringing me into podcasting and all

1015
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,339
these other elements around UFOs so I

1016
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,920
have a huge heart for him and he's in a

1017
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,480
wonderful wonderful man and he's been

1018
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,359
doing so much in Canada and in the UFO

1019
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:05,220
Community for so many other people

1020
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,260
outside of himself and the one thing

1021
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,119
that Victor does need is to shed a light

1022
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:10,559
on himself and I tell him that all the

1023
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,059
time because he's done it for everyone

1024
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,460
else in the community did you start to

1025
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,859
Victor uh I just want to say this really

1026
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:19,020
quick and I hope he's listening

1027
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:23,400
um Victor broke so many stories and and

1028
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,579
he was able to in in his own little PR

1029
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:28,800
way you know and get stuff out onto the

1030
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:30,780
wire he was doing the best that he could

1031
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,760
but some of the coolest things uh for me

1032
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:38,640
as a show host I was I was leaning on

1033
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,640
Victor constantly to see what what he

1034
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:44,400
was about to break next and and he was

1035
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:46,920
excellent you know I've had him on here

1036
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,579
and I've had him on coast and uh but it

1037
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:52,440
never for Victor

1038
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,319
it never went into the mainstream some

1039
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:58,020
of those stories that he broke were huge

1040
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:01,980
and they never caught and I I just never

1041
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:03,780
figured that part out but he has

1042
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:07,260
constantly uh kept his foot on the gas

1043
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,660
um now there's a uh there's another part

1044
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:11,400
to this though

1045
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:15,000
um as as things started to break in in

1046
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,280
2017 was this for you uh the opportunity

1047
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:22,740
where the door cracked and he went okay

1048
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,859
this this may be a safe place now and

1049
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,800
and I could I could I can move the

1050
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,160
efforts of my company in in here oh for

1051
00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:34,920
sure 100 it was the beginning of it and

1052
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,540
I don't think I realized you know in

1053
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,640
2017 I wasn't trying to be opt you know

1054
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,500
being like I'm gonna jump on this and I

1055
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,359
can do everything in PR

1056
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,339
even though I wanted to do a lot around

1057
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,559
it I think it was just I knew that there

1058
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,780
was there was an opportunity and I just

1059
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,220
started to walk through that door

1060
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:52,319
because I wanted to find the right

1061
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,540
Community to work with within the UFO

1062
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,480
community and attach myself to two

1063
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:59,280
people that I trusted and people that I

1064
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:01,079
knew that were trying to be on the right

1065
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,240
side of history and I say that and I

1066
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:04,800
think the debrief is and I really hope

1067
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:07,260
we are but I would say that and I can't

1068
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:09,059
say who but I have been approached by

1069
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,140
other people

1070
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:12,599
you know higher up before I met the

1071
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,140
debrief to do PR for them and I actually

1072
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,240
said no to them I was kind of in Waiting

1073
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,160
both the debrief came to me and this

1074
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:22,920
other person uh came to me as well as a

1075
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:25,319
part of a community and it's not that I

1076
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,760
wouldn't have done it with them it would

1077
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,740
have been an interesting play in PR but

1078
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,440
the debrief gave me an opportunity to be

1079
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:32,880
on a side of Journalism that I've always

1080
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:35,880
wanted to be on to see stories breaking

1081
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,700
stories and to builds with an amazing

1082
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:40,980
group of investigative journalists and

1083
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:43,980
amazing men and women and gave me the

1084
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:45,720
opportunity to do my own podcast as well

1085
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,980
you know I've been doing other

1086
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,420
podcasting and that was somewhere else I

1087
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:50,520
wanted to go to did you can play in both

1088
00:54:57,970 --> 00:54:54,440
Fields yeah you can you I do exactly

1089
00:55:02,930 --> 00:54:57,980
the uh the history

1090
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:02,940
of of UFOs in Canada is is is is pretty

1091
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:05,579
amazing it's pretty complete did you

1092
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:08,700
look into specific cases in Canada like

1093
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:11,819
shag Harbor or Harley red star and and

1094
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:13,980
see what what you know what happened

1095
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:16,140
there and who the characters were

1096
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:18,059
yeah I looked into them I looked into a

1097
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,760
lot of local stories as well my dad and

1098
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,799
I would talk a lot about them but the

1099
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,780
challenge was is that when I was younger

1100
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:26,700
growing up you wouldn't get a lot of

1101
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,880
conversations in within media about UFOs

1102
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,980
it started to you know shag Harbor is

1103
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,200
obviously a massive one Falcon Lake's a

1104
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:36,000
big one yes there's been some incidences

1105
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:38,040
in Ottawa that have happened there's

1106
00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:40,260
been incidences in Montreal there's just

1107
00:55:45,289 --> 00:55:42,599
there's been times the the two largest

1108
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,299
obviously are shag and Falcon Lake but

1109
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,819
media wasn't really picking it up and if

1110
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,920
they would pick it up sometimes it was

1111
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,420
generally CBC that would that's our

1112
00:55:55,370 --> 00:55:53,460
Canadian broadcaster but they would do

1113
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,380
little doc pieces around it and

1114
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:56,880
sometimes they would lean towards that

1115
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,099
someone being a little bit more crazy

1116
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,200
than on the side of you know this

1117
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:03,839
actually being UFOs so I think they took

1118
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,819
it in different directions the same way

1119
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:07,200
that the states would took it during the

1120
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,780
60s also Canadians and Americans during

1121
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:11,640
that time in the Cold War were very

1122
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:14,040
aligned in the same story ridicule might

1123
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,540
have been less and I might be fully

1124
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,640
wrong on that but ridicule within each

1125
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:19,980
other but within mass media and within

1126
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,380
the military or any form of army wasn't

1127
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:24,180
a conversation as much as it was in the

1128
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,380
States from what I know I don't think

1129
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,000
people's wings were taken away from what

1130
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,280
I know of in Canada but there was still

1131
00:56:33,289 --> 00:56:30,960
an alliance and an understanding that

1132
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,299
this was all a false narrative and that

1133
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:35,460
they would keep pushing that UFOs were

1134
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:37,500
not real so Canada did the same thing

1135
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:39,660
but just a little bit quieter but we are

1136
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,420
known to be very quiet in our history

1137
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:44,460
especially if it's dark or anything else

1138
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,339
unfortunately and with with shag Harbor

1139
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:50,160
we've got to uh break in in about five

1140
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:54,059
minutes but shag Harbor has all of the

1141
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:58,500
elements of like uh a Roswell or Randall

1142
00:57:02,329 --> 00:57:00,839
shim where you've got the military

1143
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:02,339
you've got civilians you've got

1144
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,980
eyewitnesses uh the the uh the the Royal

1145
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:09,900
what do you call it the Royal Mountain

1146
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:11,940
Canadian amount to police yeah or

1147
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:14,579
Stampede yeah yeah see RCMP that's it

1148
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:15,660
that's it

1149
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:17,640
um everybody seemed to be involved

1150
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,099
including the United States military and

1151
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:21,359
Air Force showed up on the scene

1152
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:25,380
apparently too as well and if that

1153
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,799
wasn't a massive cover-up when you have

1154
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:30,960
private citizens right there that

1155
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:34,640
witnessed the entire thing but that was

1156
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:38,579
squashed just like Roswell why why would

1157
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:41,400
why do you think that the CBC and the

1158
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,260
Canadian government would choose to

1159
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,599
cover up a case where you had so many

1160
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,640
private citizens that were witnesses to

1161
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:49,920
it I think the same reason they did it

1162
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:51,720
for Roswell I think that they were

1163
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:54,059
scared about hysteria and also might

1164
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:56,099
have we have American

1165
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,720
you know officials there as well there

1166
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,040
might have been a conversation around

1167
00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:01,200
that in some agreeance our countries are

1168
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:03,420
sistering countries so it wouldn't be

1169
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,339
surprising that both governments are

1170
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:06,799
having these conversations together

1171
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:09,780
especially even then and saying that let

1172
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,640
us go first and then we will tell you

1173
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:13,920
what to do again but that is just my

1174
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:15,000
thoughts it doesn't mean that's actually

1175
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,420
what happened but I can imagine and also

1176
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:19,619
I think that they don't want to scare

1177
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:21,240
people and we're really good at not

1178
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,579
talking about things in Canada like we

1179
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:26,400
really are I'm honestly we are people

1180
00:58:31,789 --> 00:58:29,400
and I would love my country so much and

1181
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,799
I love Toronto as a city and I love

1182
00:58:35,809 --> 00:58:34,020
being Canadian and every Canadian that

1183
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:35,819
is in the UFO field will agree with me

1184
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:38,220
on this that and even just in other

1185
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,619
stories we push things under the rug and

1186
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:42,119
we don't talk about it and we walk away

1187
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,980
from it it's a very Canadian passive

1188
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:45,359
aggressive thing to do and we need to

1189
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:47,940
get better at not doing that and I'm

1190
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:50,579
hoping that maybe one day we'll decide

1191
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:52,920
to talk about the UFO conversation in a

1192
00:58:56,270 --> 00:58:54,900
larger scope but people are talking

1193
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,280
about it but the government and the

1194
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:57,900
media aren't so we just need to get

1195
00:59:02,569 --> 00:59:00,180
better at that in all facets I want to

1196
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,579
talk about this more after the break so

1197
00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:05,400
we call this in the radio a setup so I'm

1198
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:06,920
going to set this up for after the break

1199
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,099
which is we know what is happening you

1200
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,799
know right now with with uh Washington

1201
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:15,839
DC and Capitol Hill is something that

1202
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:19,020
you cover is the same conversation

1203
00:59:26,329 --> 00:59:22,920
happening in Canadian politics

1204
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,339
no but I am privy that there are

1205
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,559
Canadian politicians that are interested

1206
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:30,119
in it and I've done some back research

1207
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,579
around it I obviously will not say who

1208
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:35,099
at this point but there are interests

1209
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,140
and people are talking about it but

1210
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:39,900
there isn't a mass scale of politicians

1211
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:41,220
speaking about it but it doesn't mean

1212
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,380
that it's not going to happen do you

1213
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,380
think that there is uh I mean what have

1214
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:48,240
you heard is there a certain amount of

1215
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,140
cooperation that is going on uh which is

1216
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:53,520
something that we have shared with

1217
01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:57,359
Canada on every level uh forever right

1218
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:00,680
and and we appreciate that relationship

1219
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:04,380
there must be communication going on for

1220
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,180
these reports that that are going to be

1221
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,920
compiled

1222
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:10,380
yeah there's briefings that have been

1223
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:12,299
happening that I've heard of between

1224
01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:15,420
Canadians and Americans around UFO

1225
01:00:20,569 --> 01:00:18,900
stories that are American and they're

1226
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:20,579
imagining that they would have shared

1227
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:23,160
their own as Canadian officials so that

1228
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:26,040
is happening but on a larger scale I

1229
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:27,900
think it's going to take some time for

1230
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:31,200
it to grow but yeah it's it's

1231
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,420
interesting because we're not at that

1232
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,339
point right now and the other reason why

1233
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,440
I think we're not for Canadian media is

1234
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,559
that ufology or just the concept of UFOs

1235
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:43,980
and the history around UFOs is so

1236
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:45,900
there's so many it's like 70 years plus

1237
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,819
of information and for a Canadian

1238
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,740
journalist that is trying to jump into

1239
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,180
something like an American journalist

1240
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,940
it's petrifying to them and that's why I

1241
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,680
think it took two weeks for even when

1242
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:57,599
Americans broke that story there's more

1243
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:59,339
journalists privy here and there's more

1244
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:00,900
connections to people here and to get

1245
01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:03,240
information we don't have that in Canada

1246
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:05,819
we only have a couple Point people and

1247
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,859
it's obviously growing but it's going

1248
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,660
going to take time and so what's going

1249
01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:11,339
to happen is journalists have to learn a

1250
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:13,079
lot more and are going to have to start

1251
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,180
looking into Canadian cases and we have

1252
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,339
them we have the journalists but the

1253
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,500
mainstream media isn't there yet and

1254
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,660
they will be but it's going to take time

1255
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,040
and it's going to take lobbying and it's

1256
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,960
going to take pushing for individuals

1257
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,880
Like Us in the Canadian side and

1258
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:29,040
American side to push something forward

1259
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:31,980
to talk about why Canadians need to have

1260
01:01:37,789 --> 01:01:34,440
this conversation around UFOs in both a

1261
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:37,799
public and in an at-home space it seems

1262
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:43,160
that journalists now will approach

1263
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,640
anybody and ask about UFOs and uaps and

1264
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:49,440
it seems like the last three four five

1265
01:01:55,549 --> 01:01:53,280
presidents have said UFOs like out of

1266
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:55,559
their mouths right all the way right now

1267
01:02:02,210 --> 01:01:58,980
to our current president do you ever see

1268
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:02,220
a point in time where a journalist would

1269
01:02:07,450 --> 01:02:04,859
approach a Canadian Prime Minister right

1270
01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:07,460
now it's Trudeau right it's Trudeau

1271
01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:11,339
and ask him about uaps

1272
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,839
right I mean

1273
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,960
not that I know of but I would

1274
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:17,280
personally I would from the debrief on

1275
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,619
my end that's for sure so that's a given

1276
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:21,359
and anyone else who would work with us

1277
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,980
on the Canadian side of things would ask

1278
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:25,200
those questions I think I'd be known to

1279
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:26,760
ask that question if anything and if I

1280
01:02:30,589 --> 01:02:28,740
didn't people would be surprised so

1281
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,599
personally I would on my end for the

1282
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:33,000
debrief but other journalists know not

1283
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:34,440
yet and I think that they're still

1284
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,140
worried to be honest I really do and I

1285
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:38,640
they're not sure and they don't want us

1286
01:02:42,529 --> 01:02:40,200
they don't want to talk talk about the

1287
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,539
topic it's hard and I talk about this

1288
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:44,700
with all Canadians that like UFOs like

1289
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,500
that love the topic and we're like why

1290
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:49,200
why and they just won't but there's

1291
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:50,460
going to be a time that they have to

1292
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,619
because as the story gets bigger and

1293
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,599
bigger and bigger they have no choice

1294
01:02:59,450 --> 01:02:57,420
and at one point if it's Justin Trudeau

1295
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:59,460
or a neck to the next selected official

1296
01:03:03,410 --> 01:03:01,140
somebody's gonna bring it up and there

1297
01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:03,420
will be a conversation around it gosh we

1298
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:05,579
even have like I think believe shag

1299
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:08,339
Harbor is on our commemorative toony I

1300
01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:10,140
believe it's not a relooni so we even

1301
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:12,420
have like UFO crashes and I believe we

1302
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:13,319
have the

1303
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:14,760
Ottawa or is it the Montreal event

1304
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,680
that's on our toony too so like we have

1305
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,660
them in commemorative coins so we'll put

1306
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:20,099
in a commemorative coin but we won't

1307
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,740
talk about it in any form of political

1308
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,900
conversation or media conversation it

1309
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,400
doesn't make any sense but we'll we'll

1310
01:03:31,549 --> 01:03:28,799
have collector coins come out yeah I I

1311
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,559
remember when the Shag Harbor coin came

1312
01:03:37,549 --> 01:03:34,799
out yeah it's sold out it did yeah I

1313
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:37,559
tried to get it that day I didn't get it

1314
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:40,140
I didn't get my shag Harbor let's take

1315
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:41,940
our break right here this is Fade to

1316
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,140
Black I'm Yours Jimmy church tonight

1317
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,359
Chrissy Newton is with us director of

1318
01:03:49,849 --> 01:03:48,180
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1319
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,859
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1320
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:51,660
short break I'm Yours Jimmy church this

1321
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:02,680
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1322
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1349
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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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01:09:12,169 --> 01:09:09,839
host Jimmy church tonight Chrissy Newton

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01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:12,179
of the debrief is here

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01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:16,319
edia and PR for the debris

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01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:21,239
I gotta say uh Chrissy it's got to be

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01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:26,880
a fun time right where you don't seem to

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01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:30,299
as as a journalist in PR and media you

1424
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:31,980
don't have to work for it like you had

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01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:35,279
to do in years past is that is it is

1426
01:09:39,769 --> 01:09:37,140
that entirely true

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01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:39,779
do you mean by Within UFOs you'll work

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01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:42,060
for press in general oh gosh yeah I

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01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,759
would say yeah I was going to say it's

1430
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:46,440
always a struggle sometimes telling a

1431
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,880
story in PR just depends on what story

1432
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:49,859
you're telling and who's the audience

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01:09:54,289 --> 01:09:52,440
it's going towards but for UFOs yeah for

1434
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:54,299
sure it's been a lot easier to tell a

1435
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,980
story and there's way more places to

1436
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:57,600
tell it and there's different areas

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01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,340
there's entertainment there's lifestyle

1438
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:02,400
there's politics it's like UFOs isn't

1439
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:04,739
every single crevice of every single

1440
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:06,840
topic that we can possibly talk about

1441
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:08,820
now it's even getting into Beauty which

1442
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,219
is I think is crazy but it's everywhere

1443
01:10:14,750 --> 01:10:13,440
and it's wonderful to see that the

1444
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,760
Counter Culture is really becoming

1445
01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:17,280
mainstream yeah one of the things that I

1446
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,500
noted and we've got the Super Bowl

1447
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:21,960
coming up in in two weeks but last

1448
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,420
year's Super Bowl

1449
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:27,360
um I I you know I was watching the

1450
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:28,860
commercials in the halftime show like

1451
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:32,040
everybody does right during halftime and

1452
01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:35,820
it seemed like it wasn't everyone but it

1453
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:38,460
seemed like every commercial had an E.T

1454
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:41,219
theme to it and I thought how did we get

1455
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,219
here this happened pretty quick

1456
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,500
yeah I think it's great though it's

1457
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,360
because the Counter Culture has finally

1458
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,880
moved into mainstream when you have all

1459
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:52,800
these different areas picking it up and

1460
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,900
having consistent conversations about it

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01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,000
and people are asking questions and

1462
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:58,800
you're also getting you know Republicans

1463
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,780
and Democrats on the same side of things

1464
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:02,159
and helping pushing things into

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01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:05,100
legislation like that on its own is

1466
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:07,140
going to create major conversations in

1467
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:08,760
all different areas and people are

1468
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:10,679
curious so they want to ask questions

1469
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,179
and they want to learn more and they

1470
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:14,280
feel that it's okay to ask now because

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01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,780
somebody's not going to make fun of them

1472
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:17,880
if they want to learn more or if they

1473
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,100
want to tell their UFO experience I want

1474
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,040
to talk about the process uh over at the

1475
01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:26,000
debrief and before we get there

1476
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:29,699
when is the debrief going to publish

1477
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:30,830
your dad's picture

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01:11:35,209 --> 01:11:33,300
[Laughter]

1479
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:35,219
next story everyone's asked me they're

1480
01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:37,560
like Chrissy so my dad and I had a

1481
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:40,199
conversation recently where he has it in

1482
01:11:43,130 --> 01:11:41,580
the safe

1483
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:43,140
um I'm not obviously going to say where

1484
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:45,719
but he has it and I just said to him

1485
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:48,360
before we publish it I told him I have a

1486
01:11:52,189 --> 01:11:50,280
picture of a Billy Myers UFO which

1487
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:52,199
obviously everyone says it's fake but I

1488
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,060
have it on my wall and I got it the UFO

1489
01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:56,159
Congress so I have it in like my kitchen

1490
01:12:00,830 --> 01:11:58,260
living room and my townhouse in Toronto

1491
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,840
so before I even give it to the debrief

1492
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:02,280
I'm gonna blow it up and put it as

1493
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,100
artwork at my house that's my plan but

1494
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,440
at some point I will um I will give it

1495
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,420
and I've asked my dad about having this

1496
01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:11,040
conversation but he doesn't want to go

1497
01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:13,739
publicly he's very private and he

1498
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,239
doesn't want to go public he's like you

1499
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,040
can talk about it but I don't want to

1500
01:12:21,169 --> 01:12:19,440
talk about it and what I might do one

1501
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,179
day is I might just sit with him myself

1502
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,480
in a microphone and have that tell that

1503
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,219
story with him so that he feels

1504
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,199
comfortable and him and I talking like

1505
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:30,000
we normally do when we talk about UFOs

1506
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:31,980
and we just you know shoot the crap at

1507
01:12:35,450 --> 01:12:33,719
night when it's really late at night and

1508
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,460
we just talk about it together and I'll

1509
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:37,260
record it one day and then I'll you know

1510
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:38,820
maybe do it as a podcast and then give

1511
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,920
the photo to the debrief but his story

1512
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:42,800
is really unique because my dad had

1513
01:12:46,490 --> 01:12:45,480
there was a form of contact to it you

1514
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:46,500
know and it was he wasn't the only

1515
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:47,880
people I believe there was four of them

1516
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,520
there and so when the UFO flashed back

1517
01:12:54,010 --> 01:12:52,320
when they flash their car headlights at

1518
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:54,020
it there was some form of communication

1519
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,540
and that on its own is unbelievable can

1520
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:59,760
you describe for me and by the way you

1521
01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:01,860
can break the story on on Fade to Black

1522
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:05,219
I'm okay with that you're you're a

1523
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:06,600
publicist that's what you do that's

1524
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:08,219
right you reach out to networks like

1525
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:09,120
mine

1526
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:11,400
um can you describe the object in the

1527
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:14,760
photograph for sure so there's a

1528
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:17,219
it's it's not a massive picture like

1529
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:19,260
it's maybe the size of my hand and I'm

1530
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,300
5'3 so you can imagine how big my hand

1531
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,100
is it's not very big

1532
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,040
and there's car lights it's it's dark

1533
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:27,600
out there's car lights there's

1534
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,340
headlights that are red in the

1535
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:30,719
background and you can see that they're

1536
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:32,580
the tail headlights and then there's a

1537
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,159
telephone pole that's really high up and

1538
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:38,159
just above the telephone pole is this

1539
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:40,620
UFO so I said to my dad because I

1540
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:42,120
remember looking at when I was younger

1541
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:45,480
and I'm like okay this is really small

1542
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:49,380
and so I asked my Dad recently too I'm

1543
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:51,480
like I forgot I'm like how big was it

1544
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,580
dad and he's like oh and it's

1545
01:13:58,209 --> 01:13:55,440
interesting and I'll say this after he's

1546
01:14:01,010 --> 01:13:58,219
like it's storing my dog

1547
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,020
let me tell you something he wants in on

1548
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:03,840
this interview he stops it's so funny

1549
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:06,060
because he stops when I stop but he

1550
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,100
wants the attention he's watching

1551
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,080
everything he's looking at me in the

1552
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:12,719
screen his head is tilted he's like who

1553
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:14,940
is this dude yeah I'm sorry if

1554
01:14:18,729 --> 01:14:16,920
everyone's hearing that Beethoven loves

1555
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:18,739
to to talk it

1556
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:21,780
he's awesome okay uh back to the

1557
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:25,260
photograph okay sorry so he so yeah so I

1558
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,699
asked him I'm like because I forgot

1559
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,840
because he's told me the story so many

1560
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:29,120
times and you forget

1561
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,699
parts of it and so when I asked him how

1562
01:14:36,169 --> 01:14:34,380
big it was he said well they must have

1563
01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:36,179
been like you know four feet high that

1564
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,500
must be like children would have fit in

1565
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,719
it and so that parallels really as much

1566
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:41,940
as you know conversation of babazar was

1567
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:45,000
right or not but it does parallel a kind

1568
01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:47,219
of around a similar time into what Bob

1569
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:48,840
Lazar did say and I'm not going to say

1570
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:50,820
that he is right or wrong but I just

1571
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:52,860
found it interesting as a comparison to

1572
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,780
what my father saw and that and what

1573
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:56,400
obviously what Bal Bazaar saw when it

1574
01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:58,260
came to the size and how big people

1575
01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:00,420
would be or something would be to fit in

1576
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:03,900
that craft so that was you know he said

1577
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,860
they must have it must have been

1578
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,960
children he said it was so small and so

1579
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:08,340
then the other part of the story is is

1580
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:10,140
when they flash the lights it flashed

1581
01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:13,320
back at it but then what happened was uh

1582
01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:15,300
one of the guys took out a gun that has

1583
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,580
a scope on it and I the guys were you

1584
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:19,500
know hunting my dead doesn't hunt but

1585
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,140
they were and when they took the scope

1586
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:24,480
out and pointed the gun right at the UAP

1587
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,060
to get a better look at it through the

1588
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:30,000
scope it took off down the highway so

1589
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:31,980
everybody watched it move so it was

1590
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:34,020
intelligent it was communicating and it

1591
01:15:39,709 --> 01:15:36,179
knew that it had some form of firearm on

1592
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,719
it what was the what was the shape

1593
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,000
it so that it's a great question so the

1594
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:44,280
shape was in the photo from what I

1595
01:15:48,050 --> 01:15:45,600
remember my dad said it was like a

1596
01:15:50,570 --> 01:15:48,060
saucer object but in the photo it looks

1597
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:50,580
like a bright light with little sunbeams

1598
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:52,020
coming off it that's what it kind of

1599
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:53,580
looks like it looks like a sun there's a

1600
01:15:56,090 --> 01:15:54,840
circle in the middle and there looks

1601
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,100
like beams but it's obviously the

1602
01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:57,840
Reflection from the lens that's coming

1603
01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:00,420
off it so it was really bright when they

1604
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,580
took a photo of it but I believe my dad

1605
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:04,380
said he saw other lights underneath it

1606
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,360
as well but it was making no sound it

1607
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,920
was really really quiet and it was

1608
01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,320
really low hovering as well you've got

1609
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:12,780
this great story for the debrief right

1610
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:15,840
how it and and so take me through the

1611
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,540
process of that like you know you have

1612
01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:20,640
this story with your dad

1613
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:24,120
um how do you guys pitch stories and and

1614
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,780
how do you determine uh what makes it

1615
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:30,000
it's a great it's a great question so it

1616
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:31,020
really depends we have our

1617
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:32,580
editor-in-chiefs that work with us so

1618
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:34,260
Micah Hanks is our editor-in-chief right

1619
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,260
now formally it was um it was MJ benais

1620
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:39,840
but Micah both of them are amazing you

1621
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:42,000
know insane with Tim McMillan who helps

1622
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:43,620
run and is like our CEO and the company

1623
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,920
an amazing 3ms amazing investigative

1624
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:48,960
journalists and amazing journalists on

1625
01:16:52,729 --> 01:16:51,239
their own much respect to all three of

1626
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:52,739
them and even Christopher plain Now

1627
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:54,540
who's on our team who's building and

1628
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:56,340
becoming an amazing journalist himself

1629
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:58,500
so how it works is that somebody will

1630
01:17:01,790 --> 01:16:59,880
come to us either with a story if it's

1631
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,800
either through a tip or it's through the

1632
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:02,880
guys

1633
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:04,620
um they'll do their own research my

1634
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:06,300
podcast site is a little bit different I

1635
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:07,739
call don't always call myself a

1636
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:09,060
journalist I'm more an investigative

1637
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:10,920
conversationalist I would call myself

1638
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:13,140
I'm learning more journalism through the

1639
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:15,300
guys it's been a year me working with

1640
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:16,620
them so I don't really take I don't

1641
01:17:20,330 --> 01:17:17,880
think I have the right to say that

1642
01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:20,340
because I look at them and I'm learning

1643
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,179
I'm a young Jedi in that and so under

1644
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,880
their wing and so I would say that as

1645
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:29,040
they give them tips or tricks or

1646
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,420
anything else that comes through the

1647
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:31,920
debrief email or through their own

1648
01:17:36,050 --> 01:17:34,140
research and then what happens is on a

1649
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,060
PR side the guys will call me and then

1650
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,920
we talk about strategy and what strategy

1651
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:39,840
would look like and then what would be

1652
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:41,640
the best dissemination when it comes to

1653
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:43,800
mainstream Media or if it's within our

1654
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,900
own within our own Community to talk

1655
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:47,760
about these stories and then obviously

1656
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,500
fact checking everything you know those

1657
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,120
guys are doing that in multiple

1658
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:53,580
conversations along with that if we have

1659
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:55,080
people that are deciding to share

1660
01:17:59,810 --> 01:17:57,060
stories with us right if it's somebody

1661
01:18:02,510 --> 01:17:59,820
that is you know Abby Lowe for example

1662
01:18:04,130 --> 01:18:02,520
or you know Ralph Blumenthal one of them

1663
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:04,140
will come through us and then we decide

1664
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:05,580
how do we want to go and tell these

1665
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,800
larger stories to the mainstream media

1666
01:18:11,470 --> 01:18:09,360
if there's something else there while we

1667
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:11,480
break it or to our own Community

1668
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:16,980
the uh the subjects now we have what's

1669
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,500
his name Beethoven Beethoven yeah let me

1670
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:22,800
see let me see Beethoven I do I do I I

1671
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:25,679
just I gotta check out Beethoven

1672
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,900
I think you guys have been watching

1673
01:18:34,030 --> 01:18:30,000
Beethoven in the background tilting his

1674
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:34,040
head and uh looking at me

1675
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,140
and uh he decided to run outside so when

1676
01:18:40,910 --> 01:18:39,060
he comes back I'll grab it okay all

1677
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,920
right he always wants to be the center

1678
01:18:45,229 --> 01:18:43,199
of attention what is he a terrier what

1679
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,239
is he yeah he's a chihuahua terrier but

1680
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,800
there's something when I do interviews

1681
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,719
he knows now and he doesn't like it

1682
01:18:51,890 --> 01:18:50,640
because I'm not giving him attention to

1683
01:18:54,770 --> 01:18:51,900
somebody else's attention yeah yeah he

1684
01:18:59,470 --> 01:18:54,780
knows the time it is he does he does

1685
01:19:03,470 --> 01:18:59,480
um uh but now we have uh some different

1686
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:03,480
opportunities for focus and it seems

1687
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:08,219
that uh science as it should be is is is

1688
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:11,580
a big part of the debrief and then when

1689
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:15,300
we get over to the UAP side do you guys

1690
01:19:20,990 --> 01:19:18,360
stay away from and I'm saying this in a

1691
01:19:23,169 --> 01:19:21,000
kind way but do you stay away from the

1692
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:23,179
woo-woo is that a conscious decision

1693
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:26,880
where you when it comes to UFO new APS

1694
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:29,760
you guys want to stay inside of a

1695
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:32,880
certain playing area

1696
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:35,100
I you know I can't speak for everybody

1697
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:37,620
in the conversation of how we develop a

1698
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:40,679
company but I can say in our and we try

1699
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,179
to stick to things that are academic and

1700
01:19:46,189 --> 01:19:44,400
that we can prove and that there is

1701
01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:46,199
evidence around it and that we can do

1702
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,360
research and fact check I think that's

1703
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,400
the most important thing on anything you

1704
01:19:53,810 --> 01:19:52,320
do when it comes to journalism and so we

1705
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:53,820
do the same thing that we would do on

1706
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:56,820
any other story we apply to UFOs so

1707
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,860
we're not on any other team we're not on

1708
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:00,719
you know we don't have this one line of

1709
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,000
thinking if something was woo-woo and we

1710
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:04,800
could prove it we would probably talk

1711
01:20:10,610 --> 01:20:08,400
about it but we know that we apply and I

1712
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:10,620
watch the guys apply the same ethical

1713
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:12,000
journalism that they would do with

1714
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:14,040
anything else to the debrief do you see

1715
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:18,300
the debrief covering a Bigfoot story

1716
01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:21,480
oh yeah maybe not anytime soon right now

1717
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,219
but again if there was something that

1718
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:25,080
was able to to prove and there was

1719
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,960
footage I think we would look at having

1720
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:30,480
a higher level conversation about it

1721
01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:33,719
right and be open to doing it but right

1722
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:35,820
now we haven't had that ability or

1723
01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:37,320
haven't had something that's come across

1724
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:39,239
our desk and you know in the past year

1725
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:40,679
that I've been there that I've seen that

1726
01:20:45,169 --> 01:20:42,600
but I think we're open as a team we're

1727
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,179
very open-minded as a lot of people can

1728
01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:47,280
tell in the debrief and that read us and

1729
01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:48,900
debriefers that were very open-minded

1730
01:20:54,169 --> 01:20:50,940
but we're also very interested in facts

1731
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,179
now let's talk about uh a few different

1732
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,120
uh personalities that are now on the

1733
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:00,239
stage and first of course is is Lou

1734
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:03,719
Elizondo who who you've interviewed

1735
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:07,500
um and I think that we know Lou pretty

1736
01:21:12,649 --> 01:21:08,940
well now

1737
01:21:14,510 --> 01:21:12,659
right I I think his his thing

1738
01:21:20,990 --> 01:21:14,520
what do you what do you make of his

1739
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:21,000
approach to disclosure and and his style

1740
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:24,060
I'm gonna say Lou and the rest

1741
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:26,580
of the camp that surrounds Lou and

1742
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,900
everyone else because it's part and

1743
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:29,760
parcel as a community who are working

1744
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:32,460
together too

1745
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:33,900
you know

1746
01:21:39,169 --> 01:21:36,480
when I look it's a hard res it's a hard

1747
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:39,179
question because I don't know Lou like I

1748
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:41,100
know him to interview him and I know him

1749
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:43,260
through the debrief but I haven't known

1750
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:45,480
Lou his entire life

1751
01:21:51,169 --> 01:21:48,719
I wish I had but I haven't I'm getting

1752
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,179
to know him and I'm learning who he is

1753
01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:53,760
as a person along with what he brings to

1754
01:21:59,209 --> 01:21:56,820
this conversation and how he can elevate

1755
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:59,219
it or maybe how he won't

1756
01:22:03,169 --> 01:22:01,800
on a PR conversation I think that

1757
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:03,179
there's things that strategically could

1758
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:04,260
be done better

1759
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:05,699
and I do

1760
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,620
um doesn't mean I'm right though let's

1761
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,880
be honest

1762
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:11,280
and so when I see somebody that is

1763
01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:13,860
learning to navigate themselves in this

1764
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,260
PR World in this media world

1765
01:22:22,189 --> 01:22:18,719
and I'm watching him and I'm watching

1766
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:22,199
them I see that strategy is not always a

1767
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,820
high level thing that's happening you

1768
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,199
can tell that they're individual but

1769
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:27,120
they're all working together for One

1770
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:30,120
goal of disclosure or more information

1771
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,000
around UFOs that will be public so I

1772
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:35,520
think that in time

1773
01:22:40,729 --> 01:22:38,040
or I should say I think with that said

1774
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:40,739
and what I've seen it makes me feel a

1775
01:22:44,510 --> 01:22:43,020
little bit better the only reason why I

1776
01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:44,520
say that is because then I don't feel

1777
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,900
that there's some kind of disinformation

1778
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,239
campaign around it but it could be wrong

1779
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:51,120
who knows but when I see people that

1780
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,860
don't understand strategy and aren't

1781
01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:54,840
always connected it makes me realize

1782
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:56,460
that we're human and we make mistakes

1783
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:59,460
and so from there we have to be mindful

1784
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:02,040
of that and I think they're all human

1785
01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:04,920
and I hope that there isn't some form of

1786
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:07,800
agenda around it there is uh I think

1787
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,960
there's two ways that the community

1788
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:12,080
looks at Lou

1789
01:23:21,169 --> 01:23:17,340
and the first is that Lou is sitting on

1790
01:23:24,410 --> 01:23:21,179
a pile of secret info right right and

1791
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:24,420
and they're trying to extract that

1792
01:23:31,129 --> 01:23:27,900
information out of Lou and that he at

1793
01:23:33,770 --> 01:23:31,139
some point is going to start discussing

1794
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:33,780
these things that he knows that are very

1795
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:36,420
secretive there's that part and then the

1796
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:38,460
other side and the other way to look at

1797
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:41,820
Lou is that he knows nothing he is

1798
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:45,480
trying to get that information out of

1799
01:23:50,330 --> 01:23:47,820
the Pentagon out of the Department of

1800
01:23:53,169 --> 01:23:50,340
Defense and the other agencies and move

1801
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:53,179
this disclosure forward

1802
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:58,320
that way which way do you look at Lou

1803
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:01,320
it's hard because my my perception could

1804
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:04,320
change you know I don't think that the

1805
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:05,940
way that I feel it was really not

1806
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:07,560
important to be honest and what's

1807
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:09,780
actually happening but the way that I

1808
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:12,179
view him in a PR perspective is that he

1809
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,179
could do a better job in relaying his

1810
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:17,280
information do I think that he's a

1811
01:24:22,250 --> 01:24:19,860
disinformation agent I don't know do I

1812
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:22,260
think that Lou knows exactly what he's

1813
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:24,420
doing I don't know it's not my place to

1814
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:25,980
know that but what my place is is to

1815
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:27,719
watch him and what he does and how he

1816
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:30,360
does it and then understand to ask

1817
01:24:34,129 --> 01:24:31,980
better questions when I'm doing my own

1818
01:24:36,169 --> 01:24:34,139
podcast but then realizing watching

1819
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:36,179
what's going on in media and seeing

1820
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,500
where those Trends are going and who's

1821
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:39,120
picking it up and what narratives are

1822
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:41,760
being told through what broadcast outlet

1823
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,760
and who's saying it and where is Lou and

1824
01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:46,440
where is the rest of people that are

1825
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:48,420
associated with him what Outlets are

1826
01:24:52,430 --> 01:24:50,159
they going to which ones are they giving

1827
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,440
exclusives to my job is to watch

1828
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,480
strategy for the debrief and then along

1829
01:24:58,129 --> 01:24:56,400
with plan our own strategy and builds

1830
01:25:00,530 --> 01:24:58,139
relationships too so I'm not going to

1831
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:00,540
say if he's a disinformation agent or

1832
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,800
not or either way because they don't

1833
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,900
know because I'm still watching and I

1834
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:05,520
think I'll ever be watching and my

1835
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,980
opinion really doesn't matter it matters

1836
01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:09,840
later on if we're able to break

1837
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,460
something that we find out that maybe is

1838
01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:13,679
wrong or right but at this point it

1839
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,000
doesn't matter because my job is to

1840
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:17,280
observe now I didn't say this

1841
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,880
information agent you did well if he's

1842
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:22,800
trying to seed information us to her or

1843
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:24,900
not I used I should use it lately but if

1844
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,820
he's just you know on either side if

1845
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:28,440
he's one or the other if he knows what

1846
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,120
he's doing or not

1847
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:31,679
you know it's I don't think any of us

1848
01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:33,480
really know Lou's the one who really

1849
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,120
knows but we have to we will watch his

1850
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:38,880
actions as we've been have since 2017.

1851
01:25:48,050 --> 01:25:41,820
yeah and I think we all have to do that

1852
01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:48,060
and my my opinion uh about Lou really

1853
01:25:51,950 --> 01:25:49,560
hasn't changed

1854
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:51,960
it it's still the same we have a very

1855
01:25:56,090 --> 01:25:54,420
open relationship and we talk a lot that

1856
01:25:59,810 --> 01:25:56,100
that's for sure and I think the public

1857
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,820
is is very aware of that but my opinion

1858
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:02,159
of Lou from the very beginning based on

1859
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,340
his background is that it's like trust

1860
01:26:10,129 --> 01:26:07,860
then verify that's what we got to do you

1861
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:10,139
know we've got to give this whole thing

1862
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:13,500
time and space and and see where this

1863
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:17,580
goes moving forward but myself or

1864
01:26:23,149 --> 01:26:19,980
anybody else you can't just

1865
01:26:26,209 --> 01:26:23,159
Embrace immediately you can't do it you

1866
01:26:28,669 --> 01:26:26,219
you can't you can't you just can't do

1867
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:28,679
that everybody loses if if you choose

1868
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:32,760
that route but I'll say this about Lou

1869
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,139
um everything that he has said either

1870
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,040
privately or publicly with me

1871
01:26:47,629 --> 01:26:44,100
has has happened

1872
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:47,639
right where I'm just wondering I've been

1873
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:54,790
I figured this out but

1874
01:27:00,410 --> 01:26:57,480
I haven't had that opportunity yet

1875
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,420
everything has been okay all right so

1876
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:03,120
that's where I'm at and and is that it

1877
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,060
sounds like that's your approach too

1878
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:08,460
yeah I haven't seen anything on my end

1879
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:10,500
he hasn't done anything to me or in a

1880
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:12,179
collective that I've seen that's been

1881
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,820
negative in in the conversation around

1882
01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:17,280
UFOs and lying to us or trying to see us

1883
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:19,260
false information I haven't seen that

1884
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:21,480
yet and I I only speak for myself I

1885
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:22,860
don't know but the other guys but from

1886
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,380
what I've seen is collectively no but

1887
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:28,320
again I'm always watching you have to I

1888
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:29,580
don't think that when it comes to a

1889
01:27:32,930 --> 01:27:30,960
conversation like this you can't give

1890
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:32,940
your trust you just can't

1891
01:27:37,250 --> 01:27:35,639
it's it's such a massive topic and it's

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01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:37,260
an international topic and it will

1893
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,880
become more of an international topic

1894
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,739
and if we start believing everything

1895
01:27:44,270 --> 01:27:42,719
that's told to us with us asking

1896
01:27:46,129 --> 01:27:44,280
questions we're going to find ourselves

1897
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:46,139
in a really bad space or we're going to

1898
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,880
find ourselves in a space that is about

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01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:50,159
control or disinformation at that point

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01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:52,020
because we'll be taken advantage of I

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01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,300
think our community and I think the UFO

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01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,159
community in general is getting really

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01:27:59,629 --> 01:27:58,320
good and getting better at asking

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01:28:03,229 --> 01:27:59,639
questions than it ever has before

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01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:03,239
there's too many of us now now and with

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01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:08,159
that there are when we look at uh you

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01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:09,480
know a Linda Moulton Howe or Richard

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01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:13,560
Dolan or Nick Pope it it if uh Grant

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01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:15,659
Cameron for instance Dan Freeman's no

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01:28:20,090 --> 01:28:17,940
longer with us who you throw of course

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01:28:22,669 --> 01:28:20,100
people like Travis Walton into the mix

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01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:22,679
that have been at this for a very very

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01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:26,400
long time the media will come back at

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01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:29,880
these long-term researchers and and say

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01:28:34,810 --> 01:28:31,860
do you feel Vindication right now

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01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:34,820
because this conversation is so public

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01:28:41,470 --> 01:28:38,639
do you see that kind of pressure on the

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01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:41,480
different personalities here where

1919
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:43,860
everybody's waiting for the tide to turn

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01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,320
and say that they do feel Vindicated and

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01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:48,960
there is that pressure being put on the

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01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:55,129
could say that I think everyone

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01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:57,179
each their own right I think that

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01:29:01,250 --> 01:28:58,320
that person

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01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:01,260
and how they feel if they are not I

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01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:03,300
think it really is specific on them but

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01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,580
at some point yeah I think at some point

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01:29:10,129 --> 01:29:07,440
I think people are going to realize but

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01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:10,139
there are some stories that are still

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01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:13,080
in that I even if someone comes back and

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01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:15,300
they say hey I feel better that

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01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:16,980
something's come forward and that people

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01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:19,199
have you know they've or they've

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01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:21,600
repented or whatever it may be I still

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01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:23,159
feel that

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01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,199
they're it doesn't mean that it's always

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01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,840
truthful and I have a couple players in

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01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:29,760
in the UFO world that I've watched over

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01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:31,260
the years and my opinions have changed

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01:29:36,169 --> 01:29:33,960
to people immensely it's really

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01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:36,179
important to me that I meet people in

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01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:38,340
real life and I've been trying to do

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01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:39,420
that since I've been going to

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01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,880
conferences on my own and then also just

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01:29:45,229 --> 01:29:43,860
if I'm in California and I know that

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01:29:47,090 --> 01:29:45,239
their people aren't here or depending on

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01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:47,100
what city I'm in I try to meet up with

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01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:49,860
somebody from the UFO world because I

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01:29:55,010 --> 01:29:51,960
want to meet them and I want to know

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01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:55,020
specifically for myself uh maybe call it

1951
01:29:59,209 --> 01:29:57,060
selfish too but I think it's different

1952
01:30:01,310 --> 01:29:59,219
when you meet them in real life and you

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01:30:02,930 --> 01:30:01,320
talk to them and have a story rather

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01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,940
than just talking them across a camera

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01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:05,040
or anything else or just listening to

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01:30:10,129 --> 01:30:07,380
them on a TV show I think spending time

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01:30:11,810 --> 01:30:10,139
with them in real life and creating some

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01:30:13,370 --> 01:30:11,820
form of trust or friendship or something

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01:30:15,169 --> 01:30:13,380
around it

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01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:15,179
um does lead to if you believe them or

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01:30:19,610 --> 01:30:18,360
not and I've noticed many different

1962
01:30:21,649 --> 01:30:19,620
things hanging out with different people

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01:30:23,090 --> 01:30:21,659
in the UFO Community we have a lot of

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01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:23,100
mental health in this issue within this

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01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,320
community and we have a lot of people

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01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,780
that are not always telling the truth so

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01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:29,520
I think when I've met some of them my

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01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:31,260
opinions have changed or they've gotten

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01:30:35,390 --> 01:30:33,900
stronger and I believe them more so I

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01:30:37,490 --> 01:30:35,400
think at some point in time we'll see

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01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:37,500
that the conversation will change and

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01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,060
people will come forward and for sure

1973
01:30:45,050 --> 01:30:40,800
they either may be indicated or they

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01:30:47,689 --> 01:30:45,060
might not be yeah yeah it does present a

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01:30:51,169 --> 01:30:47,699
stage now for people to communicate that

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01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:51,179
we've never had before right there is

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01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:54,540
almost a safe space that has that has

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01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:55,980
developed let's take our break right

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here our guest tonight Chrissy Newton

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01:31:01,970 --> 01:31:00,360
director of media and PR for the debrief

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01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,980
we're going to continue this

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01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:03,179
conversation where we're leaving off

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01:31:10,980 --> 01:31:04,920
right after this short break stay with

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[Music]

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:30,129
way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to Fade to Black

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01:35:05,209 --> 01:35:00,960
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[Music]

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01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:49,669
Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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01:35:54,050 --> 01:35:51,300
host Jimmy church tonight Chrissy Newton

2062
01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:54,060
is with us director of medium PR for the

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01:35:59,450 --> 01:35:57,780
debris tomorrow night Marco vegado is

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01:36:03,649 --> 01:35:59,460
with us we'll be talking about his new

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01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:03,659
book the empires of Atlantis and uh now

2066
01:36:09,229 --> 01:36:05,340
you know I was thinking during the break

2067
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:09,239
uh Chrissy uh lose listening and and he

2068
01:36:14,990 --> 01:36:12,960
goes oh man we got church he bought it

2069
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:15,000
all we don't have to worry about him we

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01:36:18,129 --> 01:36:16,320
got church

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01:36:24,109 --> 01:36:18,139
and

2072
01:36:28,370 --> 01:36:24,119
uh thought process

2073
01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:28,380
um as a public relations person

2074
01:36:33,370 --> 01:36:31,260
do you consider the Department of

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01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:33,380
Defense the odni

2076
01:36:40,490 --> 01:36:36,360
uh uh the Pentagon

2077
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,500
our friend are they suddenly

2078
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:42,719
our friend

2079
01:36:46,669 --> 01:36:44,280
I feel like I'm playing the Middle Road

2080
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,679
tonight no I'm not going to say that

2081
01:36:50,810 --> 01:36:48,719
they're a friend but I'm also not going

2082
01:36:52,729 --> 01:36:50,820
to say that they're our enemy you can't

2083
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:52,739
you can't with the government there's

2084
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:54,179
been tons of things that even the

2085
01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:55,800
Department of Defense they're there

2086
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:58,020
obviously to protect and there's people

2087
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,000
that are in the Department of Defense

2088
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:01,920
and within government that are there

2089
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,600
that are civil servants and working to

2090
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:06,239
help to help people and there's reasons

2091
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,040
that they're there is there corruption

2092
01:37:12,109 --> 01:37:10,080
in certain ways for sure there probably

2093
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:12,119
isn't any different departments many

2094
01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:13,440
different areas

2095
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:15,480
it's massive like the Department of

2096
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:17,460
Defense is massive government is massive

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01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:20,520
so by saying that they're our friend or

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01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,020
Foe it doesn't mean that everybody's

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01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:23,760
there everybody has their own agenda

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01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,800
everybody has their own theories

2101
01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:27,360
everybody has their own things what they

2102
01:37:31,729 --> 01:37:29,159
feel is right or wrong we're seeing

2103
01:37:33,709 --> 01:37:31,739
polarization more than ever now within

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01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:33,719
North America Canada for sure it's

2105
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:35,580
happening as well so why is it going to

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01:37:39,290 --> 01:37:36,960
happen within politics and within

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01:37:40,609 --> 01:37:39,300
government so I'm not going to say I'm

2108
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:40,619
going to play the Middle Road again I

2109
01:37:44,330 --> 01:37:41,880
feel like I've been doing that so much

2110
01:37:45,649 --> 01:37:44,340
but yeah they're not our friend but I

2111
01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:45,659
would say for sure they're not our Foe

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01:37:49,070 --> 01:37:47,820
and we've seen that in history

2113
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:49,080
um the government has done certain

2114
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:51,000
things you know putting LSD in the water

2115
01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:52,980
is not a great thing that happened

2116
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,300
earlier

2117
01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:56,400
um there's been many conversations of

2118
01:37:59,570 --> 01:37:58,500
things that have happened that I don't

2119
01:38:01,070 --> 01:37:59,580
feel

2120
01:38:03,229 --> 01:38:01,080
um for sure in the past but it doesn't

2121
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:03,239
mean that it's consistently going to be

2122
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:04,980
like that people make mistakes the

2123
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:06,600
government does try to get better but

2124
01:38:09,050 --> 01:38:07,800
there's always going to be form of

2125
01:38:10,609 --> 01:38:09,060
corruption or something that's going to

2126
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,619
happen not just in with the government

2127
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:12,480
within anything we do corporate

2128
01:38:18,050 --> 01:38:14,760
corporate companies media whatever it

2129
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,060
may be well there there was a very

2130
01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:21,360
concerted effort on on behalf of all

2131
01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:23,460
branches of the military and the CIA and

2132
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:24,980
the FBI

2133
01:38:34,910 --> 01:38:29,760
to tease ridicule and label the UFO

2134
01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:34,920
community and now it doesn't seem to be

2135
01:38:40,669 --> 01:38:36,260
the case

2136
01:38:43,370 --> 01:38:40,679
why do you think they changed why are

2137
01:38:45,649 --> 01:38:43,380
they now embracing the subject

2138
01:38:48,410 --> 01:38:45,659
well I'll use the word evidence but

2139
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:48,420
there's too much footage and evidence

2140
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:50,760
for them to to say that there's too many

2141
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:52,080
people talking about this too many

2142
01:38:56,689 --> 01:38:54,239
people filming things obviously the

2143
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:56,699
internet the community is getting larger

2144
01:39:01,070 --> 01:38:59,460
entertainment plays a large part in that

2145
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:01,080
so

2146
01:39:05,530 --> 01:39:03,900
I think they have no choice but then to

2147
01:39:08,030 --> 01:39:05,540
start having bigger conversations

2148
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:08,040
because there's been pressure on them

2149
01:39:11,810 --> 01:39:09,780
and when you've had pressure for how

2150
01:39:13,729 --> 01:39:11,820
many years and you're getting pressure

2151
01:39:16,669 --> 01:39:13,739
from all different areas Senator Harry

2152
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,679
Reid you know anybody that's in a higher

2153
01:39:21,890 --> 01:39:19,440
elected official in any form I think

2154
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:21,900
that that is going to there's going to

2155
01:39:24,169 --> 01:39:23,100
be a ceiling and it's going to break

2156
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:24,179
through and I think we're just living

2157
01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:25,980
through that time right now

2158
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:28,860
and by the same token

2159
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:32,400
we have somebody like Tucker Carlson

2160
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:35,940
right out there in front speaking about

2161
01:39:42,530 --> 01:39:39,360
this nearly nightly uh for for three

2162
01:39:45,290 --> 01:39:42,540
years now he's kind of backed off uh as

2163
01:39:48,590 --> 01:39:45,300
of late uh he did do his little special

2164
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,600
uh last month on this but uh the same

2165
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:50,639
thing uh you know with Tucker in the

2166
01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:54,239
different media Outlets that this the

2167
01:39:57,950 --> 01:39:55,739
switch has been flipped and somebody

2168
01:40:00,530 --> 01:39:57,960
flipped that switch and made this okay

2169
01:40:02,330 --> 01:40:00,540
what do you think happened

2170
01:40:05,209 --> 01:40:02,340
I don't think it's somebody I think it's

2171
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:05,219
a group of media members and people that

2172
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,600
are coming together that are having

2173
01:40:10,669 --> 01:40:08,880
larger conversations but when I look at

2174
01:40:12,830 --> 01:40:10,679
anything like Tucker Carlson or anyone

2175
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:12,840
else I'm not always

2176
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:14,520
even though journalists are there to

2177
01:40:18,109 --> 01:40:16,320
tell truth and they're looking for truth

2178
01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:18,119
and that really should in conversation

2179
01:40:24,109 --> 01:40:21,000
is their job is to be searching for it

2180
01:40:28,609 --> 01:40:24,119
but we know that media wants clicks they

2181
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,619
want eyeballs they want people to follow

2182
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:30,239
and listen to them so they'll do

2183
01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:32,699
anything that bleeds that leads

2184
01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:36,179
so I I'm mindful of when they're telling

2185
01:40:39,770 --> 01:40:38,100
that story and why they are because

2186
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:39,780
sometimes I don't always feel that it's

2187
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:42,600
going in the right direction of maybe

2188
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:43,800
the right Community because they're

2189
01:40:49,070 --> 01:40:46,800
doing it for something else so right

2190
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,080
let's stay right there that's a good

2191
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,119
that's a great Point what do you think

2192
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:53,760
that reason is of course it's clicks I

2193
01:40:59,149 --> 01:40:56,580
mean that's a big big part of it but

2194
01:41:03,530 --> 01:40:59,159
there there must be something else and

2195
01:41:06,050 --> 01:41:03,540
and I want to know what that is but the

2196
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:06,060
the military is also feeding the media

2197
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,000
now information or this was a closed

2198
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,450
yeah well that's a hard conversation too

2199
01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:16,560
asking why they're doing it I don't work

2200
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,360
for the Department of Defense so I don't

2201
01:41:22,850 --> 01:41:20,400
know exactly why they're doing it I can

2202
01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:22,860
just assume why they might be but

2203
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:23,940
there's pressure there there's also

2204
01:41:28,669 --> 01:41:25,679
whistleblowers people are leaking more

2205
01:41:31,129 --> 01:41:28,679
information so I think that when media

2206
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,139
decides to take a side I think that

2207
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:33,780
they're profiling and I see this with

2208
01:41:37,790 --> 01:41:36,000
any Outlet if it could be for Fox or it

2209
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:37,800
could be anyone else

2210
01:41:42,350 --> 01:41:40,800
that they're profiling who the UFO

2211
01:41:44,990 --> 01:41:42,360
Community might be and who's their

2212
01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:45,000
target audience and what side do they go

2213
01:41:50,030 --> 01:41:48,420
on my fear out of any of this within

2214
01:41:52,209 --> 01:41:50,040
media and I've had this conversation

2215
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:52,219
with Dave Foley recently on my podcast

2216
01:42:00,609 --> 01:41:56,159
is using media and using Outlets like

2217
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,169
to if it's going to go either left or

2218
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,800
right into conversation right now

2219
01:42:07,609 --> 01:42:06,480
politically UFOs are really in the

2220
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,619
middle and it's the first time that's

2221
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,360
ever happened I'm scared that either

2222
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:11,280
media Outlets that decide to go left or

2223
01:42:15,410 --> 01:42:12,840
right are going to start to polarize the

2224
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,420
conversation as well and I'm scared that

2225
01:42:18,410 --> 01:42:17,280
if we get Outlets or anyone else that

2226
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:18,420
decides to then we're going to get

2227
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:19,619
extremist groups that are going to

2228
01:42:24,169 --> 01:42:22,020
attach themselves to that and then at

2229
01:42:25,970 --> 01:42:24,179
some point the media will lose a

2230
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:25,980
discredit and will discredit this

2231
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:28,860
conversation so my fear is that that

2232
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,739
might happen in media might be a part in

2233
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:33,360
that because right now they're kind of

2234
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,860
just talking about it but I'm scared

2235
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,840
that media will polarize it at some

2236
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,600
place in some time yeah yeah I think

2237
01:42:43,970 --> 01:42:41,280
we're all afraid of that because right

2238
01:42:46,129 --> 01:42:43,980
now it's pretty dang comfortable it is

2239
01:42:47,629 --> 01:42:46,139
right and I'm and I'm mindful of that

2240
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:47,639
because that's not always going to stay

2241
01:42:51,709 --> 01:42:49,560
comfortable it's great and if it does

2242
01:42:53,570 --> 01:42:51,719
well done this is the first time I would

2243
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,580
say almost anything in a topic that

2244
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,920
everybody could agree on but we know who

2245
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,600
humans work and they don't always work

2246
01:43:01,310 --> 01:43:00,000
like that but we people I think in the

2247
01:43:03,169 --> 01:43:01,320
community or other people that are

2248
01:43:04,970 --> 01:43:03,179
mindful of this topic can start having

2249
01:43:06,530 --> 01:43:04,980
those conversations now so it's less

2250
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,540
polarized when it happens or just be

2251
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,639
mindful to look at what they're reading

2252
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:10,320
or what they're watching to see if

2253
01:43:14,510 --> 01:43:12,540
there's any form of a political or a

2254
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:14,520
media agenda around it when it comes to

2255
01:43:18,530 --> 01:43:16,679
clicks or who these people are or what

2256
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:18,540
they're thinking because UFOs are not

2257
01:43:22,250 --> 01:43:19,679
always just going to stay in the middle

2258
01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:22,260
I just really don't think they will you

2259
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,219
brought up leaks and last year June 25th

2260
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:29,280
the UAP task force report of course was

2261
01:43:34,270 --> 01:43:30,560
released

2262
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,280
we can put the subjects of that report

2263
01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:37,199
on the table for now we don't have to go

2264
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:41,820
there but around that release were were

2265
01:43:46,850 --> 01:43:44,820
leaks the information was getting leaked

2266
01:43:50,990 --> 01:43:46,860
videos were getting leaked the content

2267
01:43:53,390 --> 01:43:51,000
of of that UAP task force report uh was

2268
01:43:55,850 --> 01:43:53,400
being leaked page counts what was in

2269
01:43:59,149 --> 01:43:55,860
there this was getting leaked in advance

2270
01:44:01,609 --> 01:43:59,159
of of the report and that can only come

2271
01:44:06,109 --> 01:44:01,619
from the other side right that can only

2272
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:06,119
come from uh the Pentagon or odni were

2273
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,940
you surprised to have possible

2274
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:10,920
classified information being leaked

2275
01:44:16,010 --> 01:44:13,679
ahead of the report no we see it all the

2276
01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:16,020
time you know it's it's not I'm not

2277
01:44:19,729 --> 01:44:17,940
surprised do I know who's liking it I

2278
01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:19,739
have no idea but I'm not surprised that

2279
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:22,020
people are doing it and I wonder the

2280
01:44:25,490 --> 01:44:23,639
question is is who are they leaking to

2281
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:25,500
and if it's specific media members then

2282
01:44:28,970 --> 01:44:27,119
you know why are they specifically

2283
01:44:31,129 --> 01:44:28,980
linking it to them right right but I'm

2284
01:44:34,010 --> 01:44:31,139
not I'm not shocked I'm not shocked and

2285
01:44:36,729 --> 01:44:34,020
there was another part to this

2286
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:36,739
um there wasn't any

2287
01:44:42,649 --> 01:44:40,739
uh question about the leaks right it

2288
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:42,659
wasn't like somebody popped up you know

2289
01:44:47,209 --> 01:44:45,600
a Rubio or Susan Goff said you know

2290
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,219
somebody's leaking this and we need to

2291
01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:49,920
find out who was leaking uh this

2292
01:44:54,350 --> 01:44:52,260
information nobody said anything were

2293
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,360
you surprised about that I'm not

2294
01:44:58,250 --> 01:44:56,159
surprised I think with Susan Goff we've

2295
01:45:00,649 --> 01:44:58,260
seen a lot of bad Communications no

2296
01:45:02,510 --> 01:45:00,659
offense Suzanne but uh bad communication

2297
01:45:04,189 --> 01:45:02,520
errors on her end throughout the

2298
01:45:06,770 --> 01:45:04,199
Department of Defense like it just she's

2299
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:06,780
not good in com having conversations

2300
01:45:11,149 --> 01:45:08,699
with media and I've talked about this

2301
01:45:14,090 --> 01:45:11,159
with Tim McMillan before where as

2302
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:14,100
somebody who I don't have a background

2303
01:45:19,970 --> 01:45:17,760
in any form of politics doing PR but I

2304
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:19,980
do follow it personally my life like my

2305
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:21,540
background is lifestyle entertainment

2306
01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:24,239
and consumer brands in business

2307
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,520
but I know that when you have

2308
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:29,040
transparency and you're talking to your

2309
01:45:33,050 --> 01:45:31,380
general audience and you're not spinning

2310
01:45:35,209 --> 01:45:33,060
something and you're having an open

2311
01:45:36,530 --> 01:45:35,219
conversation with them and you're

2312
01:45:38,209 --> 01:45:36,540
talking to them and you're answering

2313
01:45:40,430 --> 01:45:38,219
questions and you're communicating

2314
01:45:42,050 --> 01:45:40,440
consistently you're going to build trust

2315
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,060
that's how you build trust that's what

2316
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:44,159
people want and so she doesn't do that

2317
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:46,260
very well and so she'll kind of just

2318
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:47,760
come out with a statement or the dod

2319
01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:49,080
will come out with a statement and then

2320
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,179
they kind of just back away but they're

2321
01:45:54,770 --> 01:45:53,040
told to do that that's the pr tactics

2322
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,780
that they're told to do or

2323
01:45:58,370 --> 01:45:56,400
Communications tactics to do that are

2324
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,380
right there might be reasons for that

2325
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:00,960
but that I might not know of but on my

2326
01:46:04,370 --> 01:46:02,880
side I don't see that and sometimes I

2327
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,380
wish that they were a little bit more

2328
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:06,719
transparent or just more communicative

2329
01:46:10,189 --> 01:46:08,340
consistently

2330
01:46:11,870 --> 01:46:10,199
then I think people would have a

2331
01:46:14,330 --> 01:46:11,880
different look at the dod and especially

2332
01:46:15,709 --> 01:46:14,340
in this topic as well so my thing is I

2333
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:15,719
think that Suzanne just needs to do a

2334
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,699
better job at a better job do you have

2335
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:19,920
open communication with Susan

2336
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:23,520
I don't speak to her openly myself no so

2337
01:46:29,149 --> 01:46:27,780
no exchange of emails I don't she uh she

2338
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:29,159
might have read press releases or things

2339
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:31,020
that have come across our end but no I

2340
01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:32,880
don't have open dialogue with suzango

2341
01:46:42,290 --> 01:46:39,830
go golf I always said go I think it's

2342
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,300
golf yeah I've been corrected so many

2343
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,179
times now I I say golf I still say it's

2344
01:46:51,129 --> 01:46:48,000
go honestly this community with acronyms

2345
01:46:53,689 --> 01:46:51,139
and last names were it's something else

2346
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:53,699
she should just come out and say it

2347
01:46:58,570 --> 01:46:56,639
rhymes with cough exactly and then or

2348
01:47:02,090 --> 01:46:58,580
she should just spell it phonetically

2349
01:47:04,850 --> 01:47:02,100
whatever it is it could be g-o that's

2350
01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:04,860
and then and then and we're good

2351
01:47:13,010 --> 01:47:09,900
um were you surprised to see uh with

2352
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:13,020
louell ozando uh because you're in PR

2353
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,719
right and you're watching this go

2354
01:47:21,169 --> 01:47:17,520
between

2355
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:21,179
um and conflicting story days about Lou

2356
01:47:28,729 --> 01:47:24,600
and his background and that were coming

2357
01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:28,739
from her and and suddenly we have a

2358
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:31,260
definite situation of somebody here is

2359
01:47:39,050 --> 01:47:36,480
lying and what do we do with that and

2360
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:39,060
and Lou was very public he's out in the

2361
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,460
open with all of this and that's a

2362
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,679
difficult place to you don't want to

2363
01:47:47,709 --> 01:47:45,840
discredit yourself at this stage of the

2364
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:47,719
game so I would say

2365
01:47:54,350 --> 01:47:50,340
that Lou is in a pretty solid position

2366
01:47:57,649 --> 01:47:54,360
about what he did in the past and to

2367
01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:57,659
have uh your PR person from The Pentagon

2368
01:48:02,090 --> 01:47:59,880
come out and you know have a conflicting

2369
01:48:04,609 --> 01:48:02,100
version of that story we've got a

2370
01:48:08,090 --> 01:48:04,619
problem here on a PR uh standpoint don't

2371
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:08,100
we oh immensely we do where also when

2372
01:48:10,910 --> 01:48:09,719
you had somebody that has worked and

2373
01:48:12,830 --> 01:48:10,920
said that they've worked with the

2374
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:12,840
Department of Defense and have worked in

2375
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,980
government and then somebody's

2376
01:48:18,410 --> 01:48:16,080
discrediting them yeah we do have a

2377
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:18,420
major problem on both sides to be honest

2378
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:21,119
who's telling the truth and then at the

2379
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:23,520
same point I I say this and not in lose

2380
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,380
defense but I say it I go it really

2381
01:48:29,209 --> 01:48:27,119
makes the Department of Defense not look

2382
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:29,219
that educated or know what they're doing

2383
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:32,880
so because you know that Lou or if

2384
01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:34,679
anyone else is going to fight to show

2385
01:48:38,810 --> 01:48:37,020
that and to show their credibility she

2386
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,820
you would have to come forward of the

2387
01:48:43,330 --> 01:48:40,800
Department of Defense and show why that

2388
01:48:45,229 --> 01:48:43,340
person's discredited and then have

2389
01:48:47,149 --> 01:48:45,239
statements in everything else and

2390
01:48:49,609 --> 01:48:47,159
evidence around it and proof to show

2391
01:48:51,169 --> 01:48:49,619
that we didn't really get that and so

2392
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:51,179
Lou then was fighting for it but I

2393
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:52,800
believe then Senator Harry Reid wrote

2394
01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:54,780
him a letter and saying that yes he was

2395
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,340
in the position that he was working in

2396
01:49:01,129 --> 01:48:58,800
and who he was so you're having people

2397
01:49:04,910 --> 01:49:01,139
that are backing him within it but

2398
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:04,920
outside of even just Suzanne and Lou my

2399
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:06,480
question is is who are the other people

2400
01:49:10,609 --> 01:49:08,460
that are disagreeing with this and her

2401
01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:10,619
that's what I want to know not so much

2402
01:49:14,689 --> 01:49:12,780
about her and Lou it's who else is

2403
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,699
backing her and giving her this

2404
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:17,040
narrative as well that there's a group

2405
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:18,540
of them that are giving this narrative

2406
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:20,460
for her to say that she's not just

2407
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:22,860
making this decision herself right she's

2408
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,780
in any form of strategy you need to have

2409
01:49:28,609 --> 01:49:26,880
more people she she is she's

2410
01:49:31,010 --> 01:49:28,619
disseminating information that's right

2411
01:49:34,129 --> 01:49:31,020
that's right she's given those pages to

2412
01:49:36,890 --> 01:49:34,139
put in her little binder somebody gives

2413
01:49:39,290 --> 01:49:36,900
her those pages who correct and when

2414
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:39,300
what's the agenda behind that yes and

2415
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:41,460
that's the question I want to ask and

2416
01:49:44,570 --> 01:49:43,260
would be more interested in is who are

2417
01:49:46,729 --> 01:49:44,580
so are these other people that are

2418
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:46,739
staying quiet and are saying we don't

2419
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:48,719
want this conversation to come out about

2420
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:51,719
uaps who is that and who is discrediting

2421
01:49:56,570 --> 01:49:54,239
and who are those people that to me is

2422
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,580
more in more interesting than finding

2423
01:50:02,750 --> 01:49:58,800
out why Susan you know making a PR

2424
01:50:07,490 --> 01:50:02,760
mistake in a blender yes exactly and uh

2425
01:50:10,669 --> 01:50:07,500
coming off of all of that which uh it

2426
01:50:13,970 --> 01:50:10,679
seemed looking back at on it all now

2427
01:50:15,890 --> 01:50:13,980
it's just been a whirlwind and it hasn't

2428
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,900
stopped and I'm talking about the

2429
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:17,520
legislation I'm talking about the

2430
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:21,360
creation of task forces multiple uh we

2431
01:50:28,930 --> 01:50:25,080
have Jilla brand we have Rubio uh we

2432
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:28,940
have uh the new budget the ndaa for 2022

2433
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:33,840
and Beyond which uh has had a very big

2434
01:50:40,609 --> 01:50:37,980
focus on the UAP and UFO issue is is

2435
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:40,619
this all part of disclosure is this

2436
01:50:45,770 --> 01:50:43,380
something that we can anticipate

2437
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,780
happening in 2022 because of the efforts

2438
01:50:50,530 --> 01:50:48,000
on Capitol Hill

2439
01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:50,540
I can't answer that because I don't know

2440
01:50:55,490 --> 01:50:52,920
if I knew then I would have loved to say

2441
01:50:57,709 --> 01:50:55,500
that but I think we're going to have so

2442
01:51:00,649 --> 01:50:57,719
much more UFO things that are going to

2443
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,659
happen within media and politically and

2444
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,400
I think that if it's called disclosure

2445
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:04,080
or whatever we call it it's going to

2446
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:05,760
slowly start to unravel and more of

2447
01:51:10,910 --> 01:51:07,199
information is going to start coming out

2448
01:51:13,550 --> 01:51:10,920
you know I speak highly of anyone if

2449
01:51:15,530 --> 01:51:13,560
that is connected to let's say right now

2450
01:51:16,729 --> 01:51:15,540
the Galileo project being one of them I

2451
01:51:18,770 --> 01:51:16,739
know that there's lots of conversation

2452
01:51:21,410 --> 01:51:18,780
about that right now and who is part of

2453
01:51:24,109 --> 01:51:21,420
the team but I will just say Avi lobe

2454
01:51:26,330 --> 01:51:24,119
and Harvard just themselves as part of

2455
01:51:28,430 --> 01:51:26,340
that team I'm excited for because as we

2456
01:51:30,050 --> 01:51:28,440
get people that are Independents same

2457
01:51:32,930 --> 01:51:30,060
with Robert Bigelow

2458
01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:32,940
coming forward with better footage more

2459
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:35,460
scientific information that is going to

2460
01:51:39,050 --> 01:51:37,260
be the churning point I think it's not

2461
01:51:41,089 --> 01:51:39,060
going to be political political is just

2462
01:51:42,830 --> 01:51:41,099
going to polarize it in my mind and just

2463
01:51:44,689 --> 01:51:42,840
keep having this back and forth issue

2464
01:51:46,609 --> 01:51:44,699
and what they're going to do but I think

2465
01:51:49,729 --> 01:51:46,619
science and

2466
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:49,739
the com the the focus now within those

2467
01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:51,780
communities are going to be the pivotal

2468
01:51:56,030 --> 01:51:53,400
point of what is going to turn this

2469
01:51:59,149 --> 01:51:56,040
conversation into more people and

2470
01:52:01,010 --> 01:51:59,159
looking at this and going okay we need

2471
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:01,020
to now have this conversation if we use

2472
01:52:04,669 --> 01:52:03,300
the word disclosure now more than ever

2473
01:52:06,770 --> 01:52:04,679
and that's what's going to get the

2474
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,780
masses involved I think is science I

2475
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:08,159
don't know if it's going to be political

2476
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:09,780
and I could be wrong I'm just scared

2477
01:52:13,370 --> 01:52:11,280
politics is going to do what it normally

2478
01:52:16,129 --> 01:52:13,380
does I think the science Community will

2479
01:52:18,410 --> 01:52:16,139
push and hopefully push this forward and

2480
01:52:20,990 --> 01:52:18,420
we're seeing it right now were you

2481
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:21,000
surprised to see Gary Nolan added uh to

2482
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,250
personally

2483
01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:30,480
I don't know what obvious gender is or

2484
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,820
what his goals are in that consistently

2485
01:52:36,649 --> 01:52:35,040
so I will leave Avi to know what he's

2486
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:36,659
doing in Harvard

2487
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,760
um but I would imagine he does but yeah

2488
01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:39,840
there are some people that I were

2489
01:52:44,209 --> 01:52:42,119
surprised to see added to it but I'm

2490
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:44,219
just glad that Avi and Harvard are doing

2491
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:45,540
what they're doing because no one else

2492
01:52:50,570 --> 01:52:47,940
is doing that do you expect that to stay

2493
01:52:53,629 --> 01:52:50,580
fully independent I mean I asked Avi

2494
01:52:57,250 --> 01:52:53,639
directly I said man have you seen the

2495
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:57,260
movie contact right if you see contact

2496
01:53:06,370 --> 01:53:02,480
and uh are are you uh conscious

2497
01:53:10,729 --> 01:53:06,380
that you may have something

2498
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:10,739
absolutely breaking some a game-changing

2499
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:13,920
event and then the government comes in

2500
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:16,080
and runs interference and closes this

2501
01:53:22,669 --> 01:53:19,080
thing down and takes control of it do

2502
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,679
you do you expect to stay independent

2503
01:53:26,450 --> 01:53:24,719
that's so funny because I asked Avi the

2504
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:26,460
same question when I interviewed him and

2505
01:53:30,890 --> 01:53:28,199
I asked him the same thing because it

2506
01:53:32,450 --> 01:53:30,900
was important to me to know that if his

2507
01:53:34,430 --> 01:53:32,460
information is going to stay private or

2508
01:53:36,530 --> 01:53:34,440
not is he going to then give it to the

2509
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,540
government and his conversation was well

2510
01:53:40,490 --> 01:53:38,400
no it's going to be independent and the

2511
01:53:42,050 --> 01:53:40,500
way and the other on top of that for me

2512
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,060
was how are you going to disseminate

2513
01:53:46,669 --> 01:53:44,159
this information to the masses

2514
01:53:48,770 --> 01:53:46,679
from what I know I'm forgetting the name

2515
01:53:50,990 --> 01:53:48,780
now of what scientists and researcher

2516
01:53:52,189 --> 01:53:51,000
but said he has somebody in place to do

2517
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:52,199
that I think it was watching World

2518
01:53:57,410 --> 01:53:55,500
Science Festival and one of the speakers

2519
01:53:59,149 --> 01:53:57,420
um that works for seti there is somebody

2520
01:54:01,070 --> 01:53:59,159
in place that will have that

2521
01:54:04,010 --> 01:54:01,080
conversation and gosh I forget his name

2522
01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:04,020
I'm sorry but I was curious to see

2523
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:06,060
because if Avi does find something I'm

2524
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,820
like how are you how are you good you

2525
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:10,080
can't just send out a press release

2526
01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:12,780
there's going to be way more to that and

2527
01:54:17,089 --> 01:54:14,820
his response to that was well we would

2528
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,099
do what we normally do we would send out

2529
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:19,440
a release and I'm like well you can't

2530
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,560
like there's so much more strategy there

2531
01:54:26,089 --> 01:54:24,719
has to be you can't just go out and say

2532
01:54:27,649 --> 01:54:26,099
oh by the way and to be honest some

2533
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:27,659
people might not even believe it right

2534
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:29,699
like look at the movie that just came up

2535
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,500
uh oh my gosh what is it don't look up

2536
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:34,199
would be the prime example of what if

2537
01:54:37,310 --> 01:54:35,940
Avi did something like that and let's

2538
01:54:39,169 --> 01:54:37,320
say you know

2539
01:54:41,089 --> 01:54:39,179
he was the person that was saying oh by

2540
01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:41,099
the way this is we've had footage and

2541
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,540
this is actually what's maybe going on

2542
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:44,400
or what we can see would people believe

2543
01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:45,900
him or not through just a general press

2544
01:54:49,790 --> 01:54:48,360
release in science so I think that there

2545
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:49,800
has to be way more strategy that's

2546
01:54:53,089 --> 01:54:50,940
involved I think that those

2547
01:54:54,830 --> 01:54:53,099
conversations are probably being had

2548
01:54:57,050 --> 01:54:54,840
right now and we're seeing that within

2549
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:57,060
the science community of what we do and

2550
01:54:59,689 --> 01:54:58,320
I would imagine that the government is

2551
01:55:01,490 --> 01:54:59,699
having those conversations too

2552
01:55:03,470 --> 01:55:01,500
especially with the conversation about

2553
01:55:05,689 --> 01:55:03,480
the United Nations coming in too which

2554
01:55:07,609 --> 01:55:05,699
is extremely important out of anything

2555
01:55:09,950 --> 01:55:07,619
right now I think that's one of the most

2556
01:55:11,570 --> 01:55:09,960
important topics that we need to focus

2557
01:55:14,450 --> 01:55:11,580
more on because it's kind of faded out

2558
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,460
we need to go back to that personally

2559
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:16,560
um but I think that at some point

2560
01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:18,360
the government will have to come and

2561
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,340
step in through dissemination because if

2562
01:55:24,050 --> 01:55:22,080
there is something that is extremely

2563
01:55:25,550 --> 01:55:24,060
important to be found it doesn't mean

2564
01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:25,560
it's right I think the government will

2565
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,199
come in because you can't just go out

2566
01:55:32,750 --> 01:55:30,239
you know running around saying things

2567
01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:32,760
are happening and if you

2568
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:35,820
I would just be surprised if Avi does to

2569
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,380
be honest and he's more of a

2570
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:39,840
professional than that so there will be

2571
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:42,719
key players and long story short he did

2572
01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:44,639
say that right now I said will you be

2573
01:55:48,589 --> 01:55:46,380
sharing your data then with the

2574
01:55:50,689 --> 01:55:48,599
government at that point when it happens

2575
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:50,699
and he said no so I'm going to take his

2576
01:55:55,850 --> 01:55:54,420
word on it now how would you as a

2577
01:55:57,709 --> 01:55:55,860
publicist

2578
01:56:00,350 --> 01:55:57,719
um how would you break this news to the

2579
01:56:02,770 --> 01:56:00,360
world I mean I I realize that's the

2580
01:56:05,450 --> 01:56:02,780
question is the million dollar question

2581
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:05,460
but I know that you thought about this a

2582
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:11,270
I would love to be one of those people

2583
01:56:15,229 --> 01:56:13,199
with a group of people I think it would

2584
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:15,239
be unbelievable you know I would never

2585
01:56:18,830 --> 01:56:16,980
want to do it by myself I think you'd

2586
01:56:20,770 --> 01:56:18,840
have to do it with people all over the

2587
01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:20,780
world

2588
01:56:26,990 --> 01:56:23,820
I would probably start going back to the

2589
01:56:28,669 --> 01:56:27,000
United Nations conversation and I'm

2590
01:56:31,070 --> 01:56:28,679
hoping let's just say that that's in

2591
01:56:32,510 --> 01:56:31,080
place when this happens

2592
01:56:34,129 --> 01:56:32,520
people from around the world in

2593
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:34,139
different countries that are then

2594
01:56:39,169 --> 01:56:36,719
Representatives would have that tabled

2595
01:56:41,089 --> 01:56:39,179
conversation that information and an

2596
01:56:42,770 --> 01:56:41,099
action plan would already be in place of

2597
01:56:44,510 --> 01:56:42,780
what you would do going forward right

2598
01:56:47,629 --> 01:56:44,520
that's what you do when you do crisis

2599
01:56:50,689 --> 01:56:47,639
Communications you write what are the

2600
01:56:52,250 --> 01:56:50,699
plausible outcomes that might happen so

2601
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:52,260
there could be a whole bunch of them and

2602
01:56:56,570 --> 01:56:54,360
then this is how you react so that when

2603
01:56:58,729 --> 01:56:56,580
something does happen that people aren't

2604
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:58,739
freaking out and just guessing they're

2605
01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:00,900
actually following a Guidebook

2606
01:57:04,669 --> 01:57:03,300
so I think we would create that

2607
01:57:06,350 --> 01:57:04,679
guidebook and that would start I believe

2608
01:57:08,930 --> 01:57:06,360
with a group of people that would be

2609
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,940
representatives from around the world

2610
01:57:11,930 --> 01:57:10,320
um and it could be foreign adversaries

2611
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,940
that are part of this as well I think it

2612
01:57:15,229 --> 01:57:13,440
has to be a group of people that are

2613
01:57:19,490 --> 01:57:15,239
collective that are from scientists

2614
01:57:21,530 --> 01:57:19,500
researchers media members politics

2615
01:57:22,850 --> 01:57:21,540
I think even the Arts Community I think

2616
01:57:24,589 --> 01:57:22,860
because that's extremely important when

2617
01:57:26,270 --> 01:57:24,599
it comes to Communications as well and

2618
01:57:28,430 --> 01:57:26,280
how do we decide to communicate this to

2619
01:57:30,770 --> 01:57:28,440
others along with them people that work

2620
01:57:32,030 --> 01:57:30,780
in marketing extremely important to have

2621
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:32,040
them involved because they're the ones

2622
01:57:34,850 --> 01:57:33,360
that are showing things to the masses

2623
01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:34,860
and creating things for the masses and

2624
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:37,320
communicating ideas and messages so I

2625
01:57:40,430 --> 01:57:38,639
think you have to have that committee

2626
01:57:42,290 --> 01:57:40,440
and then once that committee is created

2627
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:42,300
then you would create a strategy around

2628
01:57:46,850 --> 01:57:44,159
it as a group

2629
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:46,860
um with a worldly overview of what's

2630
01:57:50,270 --> 01:57:48,060
going to be going on and how it's going

2631
01:57:52,490 --> 01:57:50,280
to be said so you would uh you would

2632
01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:52,500
break this on Tick Tock is what you're

2633
01:57:57,530 --> 01:57:54,080
saying

2634
01:57:58,570 --> 01:57:57,540
maybe an Instagram but yeah right can

2635
01:58:00,370 --> 01:57:58,580
you imagine

2636
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:00,380
is is

2637
01:58:06,830 --> 01:58:04,440
mad uh no thank you if that's how they

2638
01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:06,840
decide to break this news I want out now

2639
01:58:12,530 --> 01:58:08,940
I don't know I get my news from Tick

2640
01:58:16,729 --> 01:58:12,540
Tock I'm okay with that here is I say

2641
01:58:20,089 --> 01:58:16,739
that not entirely in jest by the way

2642
01:58:22,189 --> 01:58:20,099
um but is the world ready for it you

2643
01:58:24,649 --> 01:58:22,199
know let's say it comes from Avi all

2644
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:24,659
right it's not you know a Mothership

2645
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:28,560
over New York or L.A but but Avi you

2646
01:58:33,470 --> 01:58:31,199
know determines that E.T is visiting us

2647
01:58:36,169 --> 01:58:33,480
and here's why and it comes from is the

2648
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:36,179
world ready for it I personally don't

2649
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:37,619
think we're ready for it I know everyone

2650
01:58:42,830 --> 01:58:40,080
else does the reason why I don't think

2651
01:58:44,990 --> 01:58:42,840
we're ready for it is that I'm scared

2652
01:58:46,609 --> 01:58:45,000
people are we've seen the reactions that

2653
01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:46,619
they have I even know one person who

2654
01:58:51,530 --> 01:58:48,540
actually said to me but wait this is way

2655
01:58:53,810 --> 01:58:51,540
before 2017 we I don't know how this

2656
01:58:56,030 --> 01:58:53,820
came up but we talked about fears and

2657
01:58:59,149 --> 01:58:56,040
she just said you know I'm scared of as

2658
01:59:00,950 --> 01:58:59,159
aliens and UFOs and all of those things

2659
01:59:02,510 --> 01:59:00,960
and I kind of laughed and she didn't

2660
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:02,520
really know this is somebody that was

2661
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:05,520
like you know parallel to my work and I

2662
01:59:09,530 --> 01:59:07,199
just laughed to myself and I said why

2663
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:09,540
she's like they just scare me

2664
01:59:13,310 --> 01:59:10,920
so

2665
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:13,320
I think that you know unless we have

2666
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:15,599
more evidence and science around you

2667
01:59:19,010 --> 01:59:17,520
know being able to say hey this is what

2668
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:19,020
it is maybe it is the theory of

2669
01:59:23,209 --> 01:59:21,119
interdimensional maybe it is this that

2670
01:59:25,129 --> 01:59:23,219
it won't be as hard of a blow but if it

2671
01:59:27,770 --> 01:59:25,139
just came out now tomorrow I don't think

2672
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:27,780
we're ready I don't think we were and I

2673
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:29,040
think it's really important that if

2674
01:59:32,870 --> 01:59:31,260
people there's something does come

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01:59:35,390 --> 01:59:32,880
forward and we figure out what this is

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01:59:37,370 --> 01:59:35,400
that people decide not to like lose

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01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:37,380
themselves and lose their religion and

2678
01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:38,639
lose all these things because I think

2679
01:59:44,209 --> 01:59:41,580
you can still have all of that intact

2680
01:59:46,490 --> 01:59:44,219
while following this other narrative

2681
01:59:49,129 --> 01:59:46,500
so I just don't think we're ready there

2682
01:59:50,750 --> 01:59:49,139
yet culturally and maybe I maybe I'm

2683
01:59:53,089 --> 01:59:50,760
wrong and I know people disagree with me

2684
01:59:55,089 --> 01:59:53,099
but from what I see in the way that I

2685
01:59:57,530 --> 01:59:55,099
watch people have these conversations

2686
02:00:00,649 --> 01:59:57,540
they're still unsure and they're still

2687
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:00,659
scared and I think that not everyone's

2688
02:00:05,390 --> 02:00:03,119
at that point yet well the world had the

2689
02:00:10,370 --> 02:00:05,400
opportunity to freak out in December of

2690
02:00:12,530 --> 02:00:10,380
2017 and the opposite happened I was I

2691
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:12,540
was I was very surprised with that there

2692
02:00:17,390 --> 02:00:14,639
wasn't there wasn't a global freakout

2693
02:00:20,209 --> 02:00:17,400
and the opportunity was right there

2694
02:00:24,410 --> 02:00:20,219
so do you think that we're ready then I

2695
02:00:27,770 --> 02:00:24,420
I said I do if they don't play Mars

2696
02:00:31,250 --> 02:00:27,780
Attacks uh too much right to stay away

2697
02:00:34,070 --> 02:00:31,260
from from that part of it I would say

2698
02:00:37,010 --> 02:00:34,080
that science has played such a big part

2699
02:00:38,750 --> 02:00:37,020
in letting everybody know that it's an

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02:00:40,430 --> 02:00:38,760
impossibility that we're alone in the

2701
02:00:43,490 --> 02:00:40,440
universe the universe is just too big

2702
02:00:45,189 --> 02:00:43,500
and every day we've got more exoplanets

2703
02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:45,199
and and and and and

2704
02:00:50,209 --> 02:00:47,940
planets in the Goldilocks zone and this

2705
02:00:52,850 --> 02:00:50,219
conversation coming from the scientific

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02:00:55,790 --> 02:00:52,860
community that is laying the groundwork

2707
02:00:56,689 --> 02:00:55,800
where I think everybody is now pretty

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02:01:00,109 --> 02:00:56,699
much

2709
02:01:03,410 --> 02:01:00,119
on the same page it's too big with there

2710
02:01:04,850 --> 02:01:03,420
it's it's we it we cannot be alone in

2711
02:01:08,089 --> 02:01:04,860
the universe

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02:01:10,250 --> 02:01:08,099
I yeah I think that I think that people

2713
02:01:12,050 --> 02:01:10,260
will agree that we're not alone but

2714
02:01:14,149 --> 02:01:12,060
seeing it or then being told and

2715
02:01:16,370 --> 02:01:14,159
re-confirmation I think is something

2716
02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:16,380
different I think your psyche goes

2717
02:01:20,750 --> 02:01:18,480
somewhere else I don't

2718
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:20,760
I hope I'm wrong I really hope I'm wrong

2719
02:01:25,970 --> 02:01:23,520
but I also then think that entertainment

2720
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:25,980
plays a massive narrative into this huge

2721
02:01:32,810 --> 02:01:29,040
right and that needs to shift soon

2722
02:01:34,490 --> 02:01:32,820
because it creates this scare factor

2723
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:34,500
it's all these things that happens you

2724
02:01:38,330 --> 02:01:36,480
know it's a cultural feedback loop right

2725
02:01:40,609 --> 02:01:38,340
and once we get on a cultural feedback

2726
02:01:42,350 --> 02:01:40,619
loop that's about all these things are

2727
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:42,360
scary and they're Wicked and they're bad

2728
02:01:45,169 --> 02:01:43,679
or they're this and they're that and

2729
02:01:47,330 --> 02:01:45,179
this is what it looks like and this is

2730
02:01:49,189 --> 02:01:47,340
what it's going to do to you it's going

2731
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:49,199
to keep consistently perpetuating fear

2732
02:01:52,850 --> 02:01:50,880
so that when we start changing our

2733
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,860
cultural feedback loop then the

2734
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:54,480
conversation and hopefully science will

2735
02:01:58,310 --> 02:01:56,400
come into that cultural feedback loop

2736
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:58,320
through entertainment and pop culture

2737
02:02:02,750 --> 02:02:00,719
then I think people will be ready but

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02:02:03,470 --> 02:02:02,760
that's why I still think that people you

2739
02:02:05,870 --> 02:02:03,480
know

2740
02:02:07,970 --> 02:02:05,880
people aren't they're thinking like ET

2741
02:02:10,490 --> 02:02:07,980
and Independence Day and all that stuff

2742
02:02:11,930 --> 02:02:10,500
the average person and to be honest

2743
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:11,940
Jimmy I think that you and I are

2744
02:02:15,649 --> 02:02:13,199
different because we're in this

2745
02:02:17,089 --> 02:02:15,659
community all the time every day and

2746
02:02:18,589 --> 02:02:17,099
we're living and breathing it and people

2747
02:02:21,169 --> 02:02:18,599
are asking questions about it so it

2748
02:02:23,209 --> 02:02:21,179
becomes so normal but the average person

2749
02:02:25,310 --> 02:02:23,219
down the street I remember telling

2750
02:02:27,290 --> 02:02:25,320
somebody who I was visiting them

2751
02:02:29,209 --> 02:02:27,300
um just outside of Los Angeles and I was

2752
02:02:32,209 --> 02:02:29,219
like yeah we have a UFO office now and

2753
02:02:34,609 --> 02:02:32,219
she's like what oh my God and I'm like

2754
02:02:36,830 --> 02:02:34,619
yeah and I was breaking it down for this

2755
02:02:38,209 --> 02:02:36,840
family it's a woman that's like 38 years

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02:02:40,970 --> 02:02:38,219
old with her husband and she's got you

2757
02:02:43,490 --> 02:02:40,980
know 2.5 kids and she's just like I'm

2758
02:02:45,709 --> 02:02:43,500
open to all this stuff but I didn't know

2759
02:02:48,890 --> 02:02:45,719
that and like oh like I was watching her

2760
02:02:51,169 --> 02:02:48,900
mind explode and she wasn't scared she

2761
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:51,179
was intrigued but there's still a lot of

2762
02:02:54,830 --> 02:02:52,800
people like that and I have to keep

2763
02:02:57,050 --> 02:02:54,840
reminding myself that I'm in a community

2764
02:02:59,209 --> 02:02:57,060
that we all understand this and talk

2765
02:03:01,250 --> 02:02:59,219
about this on a daily basis like it's

2766
02:03:04,010 --> 02:03:01,260
the weather but it's not the weather

2767
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:04,020
it's much bigger than that yeah and I

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02:03:12,169 --> 02:03:07,440
think about the impact of like the movie

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arrival which is amazing yeah no Photon

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02:03:19,370 --> 02:03:16,199
weapons right no blowing up cities and

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02:03:24,890 --> 02:03:19,380
and I always felt like that movie was

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made for a reason it seemed too too

2773
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:28,340
technically too artistically

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02:03:34,250 --> 02:03:31,920
uh perfect and I message that there was

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something else there I still haven't put

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um here he now here's I'm so I'm so

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happy that uh I have a public relations

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professional on the show that happens to

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be dealing with UFOs and and uaps by the

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way

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um I wanted to ask you you said UAP

2889
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earlier

2890
02:09:34,010 --> 02:09:30,179
uh as a PR person

2891
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are you are you a UAP PR person or are

2892
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,300
you a UFO PR person

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my heart is a UFO person right my

2894
02:09:45,229 --> 02:09:41,480
vernacular is UAP

2895
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,239
and is that a professional choice

2896
02:09:48,770 --> 02:09:47,280
yep yeah and I don't think there's

2897
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:48,780
anything wrong with terms changing

2898
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lexicons change all the time they're

2899
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always ever developing so I think it's

2900
02:09:57,050 --> 02:09:55,380
okay that there's a revolving but for

2901
02:09:59,209 --> 02:09:57,060
sure it's like the term Flying Saucer

2902
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:59,219
it's all it's always going to evolve the

2903
02:10:02,930 --> 02:10:01,199
UAP is just for now just give it another

2904
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:02,940
x amount of years we'll have another

2905
02:10:08,270 --> 02:10:05,760
term too now uh but also wasn't UAP

2906
02:10:10,669 --> 02:10:08,280
around the same time not as UFO but it's

2907
02:10:13,850 --> 02:10:10,679
an older term it's actually yeah you

2908
02:10:17,689 --> 02:10:13,860
know what you know what's really funny

2909
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:17,699
um if you go back to the original uh UFO

2910
02:10:23,930 --> 02:10:19,920
groups

2911
02:10:27,950 --> 02:10:23,940
um we had uh unidentified aerial

2912
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:27,960
phenomena was part of the names of some

2913
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:30,000
of the original UFO groups going back to

2914
02:10:38,810 --> 02:10:34,800
the 50s so 60s so no yeah it it is not

2915
02:10:41,209 --> 02:10:38,820
uh completely original and uaps if you

2916
02:10:44,930 --> 02:10:41,219
go back to the condom reports uh

2917
02:10:48,109 --> 02:10:44,940
condying out of uh the UK the UAP was

2918
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:48,119
all over uh that and that was not

2919
02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:50,880
yesterday that was uh quite a while ago

2920
02:10:57,350 --> 02:10:54,719
um now um but here's the the deal

2921
02:10:59,229 --> 02:10:57,360
um from a PR standpoint

2922
02:11:08,450 --> 02:10:59,239
why

2923
02:11:10,310 --> 02:11:08,460
Pentagon uh and certainly Susan goes

2924
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:10,320
Susan Goff

2925
02:11:18,109 --> 02:11:13,040
um which trickled down into the media

2926
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,119
that the word threat was used over and

2927
02:11:23,569 --> 02:11:19,760
over again

2928
02:11:25,609 --> 02:11:23,579
why take that approach

2929
02:11:27,169 --> 02:11:25,619
approach that they know I think that's

2930
02:11:29,330 --> 02:11:27,179
the approach that they're taught I think

2931
02:11:31,790 --> 02:11:29,340
that's what they've used for many years

2932
02:11:33,229 --> 02:11:31,800
when they're communicating things and I

2933
02:11:35,089 --> 02:11:33,239
think there is a term of what does

2934
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:35,099
threat mean what does the threat mean to

2935
02:11:38,330 --> 02:11:36,960
the dod and what does threat mean to the

2936
02:11:40,490 --> 02:11:38,340
government that's the question you need

2937
02:11:42,890 --> 02:11:40,500
to ask it's not so much of the word

2938
02:11:44,990 --> 02:11:42,900
threat but what is it in what it is in

2939
02:11:46,790 --> 02:11:45,000
body when they're using the word and

2940
02:11:48,770 --> 02:11:46,800
then describing it because threat can

2941
02:11:50,810 --> 02:11:48,780
mean many different things and I think

2942
02:11:53,089 --> 02:11:50,820
that the and this is not justifying them

2943
02:11:54,410 --> 02:11:53,099
but I think that when they use that word

2944
02:11:57,229 --> 02:11:54,420
it's something that they're using all

2945
02:11:59,450 --> 02:11:57,239
the time in their lexicon so for them

2946
02:12:01,609 --> 02:11:59,460
it's just a best practice to use

2947
02:12:03,229 --> 02:12:01,619
something like that do they know what

2948
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:03,239
they're doing and when they're using it

2949
02:12:07,550 --> 02:12:04,800
in the conversation to the general

2950
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:07,560
public for sure I I'm not going to say

2951
02:12:11,569 --> 02:12:09,000
they don't how could they not know

2952
02:12:13,250 --> 02:12:11,579
threat doesn't mean something nice but I

2953
02:12:16,010 --> 02:12:13,260
think it's our place that we ask the

2954
02:12:17,870 --> 02:12:16,020
question back to Susan Goff and to the

2955
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:17,880
rest of them what does threat mean to

2956
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,400
you and when you talk about threat how

2957
02:12:25,129 --> 02:12:23,040
are you applying this rather than just

2958
02:12:27,290 --> 02:12:25,139
assuming because when we assume it makes

2959
02:12:28,450 --> 02:12:27,300
an asset of you and me that's right well

2960
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:28,460
threat

2961
02:12:34,250 --> 02:12:32,400
assumes fear right right and and

2962
02:12:37,609 --> 02:12:34,260
suddenly we have this

2963
02:12:40,430 --> 02:12:37,619
with his fear narrative uh all over this

2964
02:12:42,890 --> 02:12:40,440
which goes back to your conversations

2965
02:12:46,430 --> 02:12:42,900
with your 38 year old two and a half

2966
02:12:49,609 --> 02:12:46,440
child friend where they're afraid and if

2967
02:12:51,229 --> 02:12:49,619
you're seeing threat that uaps are a

2968
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:51,239
threat they're a threat they're invading

2969
02:12:55,250 --> 02:12:53,520
our airspace we we can't do anything we

2970
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:55,260
don't we don't have a defense this is a

2971
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:57,360
threat this is suddenly you have fear

2972
02:13:03,229 --> 02:13:00,719
and now you have clicks right exactly

2973
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:03,239
that's how this is playing out from a

2974
02:13:08,330 --> 02:13:06,480
public relations uh perspective yeah a

2975
02:13:10,850 --> 02:13:08,340
media will pick up on that and they'll

2976
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:10,860
use that and also I will say for one

2977
02:13:14,750 --> 02:13:12,960
thing journalists know what they're

2978
02:13:17,149 --> 02:13:14,760
doing and media members do and you know

2979
02:13:18,830 --> 02:13:17,159
working in a media House of any

2980
02:13:20,810 --> 02:13:18,840
different size when stuff comes into The

2981
02:13:23,810 --> 02:13:20,820
Newsroom it could be anything outside of

2982
02:13:26,209 --> 02:13:23,820
UFOs it could be epidemiology it could

2983
02:13:28,250 --> 02:13:26,219
be anything into that you're learning as

2984
02:13:30,169 --> 02:13:28,260
much as a producer your job is to try to

2985
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,179
communicate it to a host or to whoever

2986
02:13:35,089 --> 02:13:32,400
it is with notes the best way possible

2987
02:13:37,729 --> 02:13:35,099
so it doesn't scare people or that it is

2988
02:13:40,850 --> 02:13:37,739
communicated properly and unbiasedly so

2989
02:13:42,589 --> 02:13:40,860
they make mistakes too and that's also

2990
02:13:45,890 --> 02:13:42,599
part of it media members are not perfect

2991
02:13:47,569 --> 02:13:45,900
so sometimes producers and people in The

2992
02:13:49,370 --> 02:13:47,579
Newsroom aren't always that bright it

2993
02:13:52,250 --> 02:13:49,380
just depends on who's making the segment

2994
02:13:54,169 --> 02:13:52,260
and sometimes they are it really depends

2995
02:13:55,669 --> 02:13:54,179
on the outlet and it depends on who's

2996
02:13:58,129 --> 02:13:55,679
communicating it but yeah they like the

2997
02:14:00,109 --> 02:13:58,139
words threat they love that but I think

2998
02:14:03,410 --> 02:14:00,119
that yeah threat can mean many different

2999
02:14:06,410 --> 02:14:03,420
things and for them threat might not

3000
02:14:07,729 --> 02:14:06,420
mean what we assume it means the other

3001
02:14:09,709 --> 02:14:07,739
thing I was going to say I almost lost

3002
02:14:12,589 --> 02:14:09,719
my train of thought is

3003
02:14:13,490 --> 02:14:12,599
when you're talking about threat I think

3004
02:14:15,709 --> 02:14:13,500
that

3005
02:14:18,169 --> 02:14:15,719
the word is

3006
02:14:20,450 --> 02:14:18,179
for them is used to communicate what

3007
02:14:22,790 --> 02:14:20,460
they know internally but then outside of

3008
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:22,800
that I think that they're

3009
02:14:25,970 --> 02:14:24,239
they're always going to use the word

3010
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:25,980
threat because anything that they can't

3011
02:14:30,050 --> 02:14:27,840
identify they're always going to

3012
02:14:33,470 --> 02:14:30,060
classify it as that

3013
02:14:35,089 --> 02:14:33,480
does that make sense yes so no matter

3014
02:14:36,890 --> 02:14:35,099
what I think that they'll use it and

3015
02:14:38,030 --> 02:14:36,900
they wouldn't just use it for UFOs they

3016
02:14:39,649 --> 02:14:38,040
would use it for anything else and

3017
02:14:41,629 --> 02:14:39,659
anything that's coming into our airspace

3018
02:14:44,330 --> 02:14:41,639
that's unidentified and we know that

3019
02:14:46,250 --> 02:14:44,340
it's not any other foreign we don't know

3020
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:46,260
what it is we're going to consider it a

3021
02:14:51,290 --> 02:14:48,960
threat and part of it I do I'm very

3022
02:14:54,050 --> 02:14:51,300
mindful of the words that are used but I

3023
02:14:55,669 --> 02:14:54,060
understand why they use it because they

3024
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:55,679
have to consider it a threat I'd rather

3025
02:15:00,169 --> 02:14:58,560
American government go okay let's be

3026
02:15:02,569 --> 02:15:00,179
concerned about this rather than being

3027
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:02,579
like who cares

3028
02:15:07,490 --> 02:15:05,280
I'd rather them be have be more cautious

3029
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:07,500
than anything because it protects

3030
02:15:13,669 --> 02:15:11,040
everybody when they do that it it okay

3031
02:15:16,850 --> 02:15:13,679
this is this is my take I want your

3032
02:15:21,229 --> 02:15:16,860
response okay Birds

3033
02:15:24,890 --> 02:15:21,239
fly into our airspace all the time

3034
02:15:26,750 --> 02:15:24,900
birds are not a threat

3035
02:15:32,510 --> 02:15:26,760
we know this

3036
02:15:36,410 --> 02:15:32,520
so if uaps are coming into our airspace

3037
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:36,420
and they are labeled as a threat that

3038
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:38,880
implies that the government knows

3039
02:15:44,930 --> 02:15:42,480
something that they're not telling us

3040
02:15:48,430 --> 02:15:44,940
that's the difference well that's a hard

3041
02:15:52,129 --> 02:15:48,440
comparison because a bird is identified

3042
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:52,139
that's exactly my point so that have

3043
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,159
they identified these uaps as a threat

3044
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:58,800
that they know something that they are

3045
02:16:02,629 --> 02:16:00,719
not telling us

3046
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:02,639
100 it's possible I'm not going to say

3047
02:16:07,010 --> 02:16:05,520
it's not for sure there's for sure that

3048
02:16:08,330 --> 02:16:07,020
they know more information that they're

3049
02:16:11,209 --> 02:16:08,340
obviously alluding to to the general

3050
02:16:13,729 --> 02:16:11,219
public a hundred percent that's just a

3051
02:16:17,089 --> 02:16:13,739
given it's classified information

3052
02:16:17,870 --> 02:16:17,099
do they know that it is a threat to us I

3053
02:16:21,470 --> 02:16:17,880
don't know

3054
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:21,480
use that word is because they don't have

3055
02:16:27,589 --> 02:16:24,719
other words to use around it and I my

3056
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:27,599
understanding of the lexicons and the

3057
02:16:32,089 --> 02:16:30,719
vernacular within the dod aren't as high

3058
02:16:34,129 --> 02:16:32,099
as they probably should be and that's me

3059
02:16:35,870 --> 02:16:34,139
learning as I go along as well as I go

3060
02:16:37,730 --> 02:16:35,880
into this journey of what that is

3061
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:37,740
because you know Tim McMillan said one

3062
02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:39,599
of the best things for me and you know

3063
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,000
he's so bright in so many ways when I

3064
02:16:45,889 --> 02:16:44,160
asked him about what other research IB

3065
02:16:47,450 --> 02:16:45,899
should be reading and he and I was like

3066
02:16:48,770 --> 02:16:47,460
maybe I should read some other UFO books

3067
02:16:50,450 --> 02:16:48,780
that I haven't read before and he was

3068
02:16:51,889 --> 02:16:50,460
like no you need to start reading stuff

3069
02:16:54,110 --> 02:16:51,899
that's around politics and other things

3070
02:16:55,549 --> 02:16:54,120
around the UFO community and I was like

3071
02:16:56,750 --> 02:16:55,559
that is very smart and that was the

3072
02:16:58,610 --> 02:16:56,760
first thing one of the first things he

3073
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,620
told me when I about a year ago when I

3074
02:17:01,730 --> 02:17:00,479
first got into the debrief because I was

3075
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:01,740
like that makes sense you want to

3076
02:17:05,929 --> 02:17:03,840
understand policy more you want to ask

3077
02:17:08,209 --> 02:17:05,939
better questions so do the research and

3078
02:17:09,530 --> 02:17:08,219
inform yourselves in other areas so my

3079
02:17:10,969 --> 02:17:09,540
job with that set is to learn better

3080
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,979
lexicons that are coming through

3081
02:17:13,849 --> 02:17:12,240
government and what do they mean

3082
02:17:16,730 --> 02:17:13,859
especially in the dod and through

3083
02:17:18,770 --> 02:17:16,740
intelligence why are they using them

3084
02:17:22,009 --> 02:17:18,780
um and what what do they mean and

3085
02:17:24,770 --> 02:17:22,019
lexicons change all the time and to be

3086
02:17:26,450 --> 02:17:24,780
honest the dod does not have very

3087
02:17:28,549 --> 02:17:26,460
friendly lexicons a lot of things are

3088
02:17:30,110 --> 02:17:28,559
fallacies

3089
02:17:32,209 --> 02:17:30,120
um those things are obviously going to

3090
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:32,219
change lots of sexual innuendos they're

3091
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:33,679
not very

3092
02:17:38,089 --> 02:17:36,719
forward-thinking they're sexist in many

3093
02:17:40,730 --> 02:17:38,099
ways

3094
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,740
that's happened over the years so now I

3095
02:17:44,089 --> 02:17:42,479
believe those lexicons are obviously

3096
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:44,099
changing because people have other women

3097
02:17:47,150 --> 02:17:45,359
and other journalists have been fighting

3098
02:17:49,250 --> 02:17:47,160
on that outside of the UFO conversation

3099
02:17:50,450 --> 02:17:49,260
but that's kind of where you start and I

3100
02:17:52,490 --> 02:17:50,460
think those are things that people need

3101
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:52,500
to look into and understanding The Words

3102
02:17:56,209 --> 02:17:53,880
that they use and the reason and

3103
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:56,219
intention behind them will make I think

3104
02:18:01,070 --> 02:17:58,319
make people understand more of what

3105
02:18:04,429 --> 02:18:01,080
their agenda might be there were two

3106
02:18:05,929 --> 02:18:04,439
things that are related that happened in

3107
02:18:09,530 --> 02:18:05,939
in the budget

3108
02:18:11,809 --> 02:18:09,540
and one of the statements I'm sorry I

3109
02:18:14,089 --> 02:18:11,819
just cleared my throat one of the

3110
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:14,099
statements uh one of the paragraphs I

3111
02:18:20,750 --> 02:18:17,760
should say is that

3112
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:20,760
um any crash retrievals

3113
02:18:28,330 --> 02:18:25,200
and technology that is retrieved from a

3114
02:18:31,549 --> 02:18:28,340
recovered uh UAP

3115
02:18:35,870 --> 02:18:31,559
those reports need to be filed and that

3116
02:18:38,030 --> 02:18:35,880
information shared now at that at the

3117
02:18:40,849 --> 02:18:38,040
same time six months before that

3118
02:18:42,349 --> 02:18:40,859
happened uh Ralph Blumenthal who you

3119
02:18:45,469 --> 02:18:42,359
mentioned earlier

3120
02:18:47,870 --> 02:18:45,479
um in one of his recent articles in the

3121
02:18:51,230 --> 02:18:47,880
New York Times buried in the article

3122
02:18:53,089 --> 02:18:51,240
Eric Davis Dr Eric Davis made a pretty

3123
02:18:54,889 --> 02:18:53,099
incredible statement that Ralph

3124
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,899
Blumenthal said was vetted by the New

3125
02:19:00,110 --> 02:18:56,160
York Times

3126
02:19:03,950 --> 02:19:00,120
in that this quote attributed to Dr Eric

3127
02:19:08,450 --> 02:19:03,960
Davis is that he briefed the Senate

3128
02:19:13,549 --> 02:19:08,460
intelligence committee that we are in

3129
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:13,559
possession of crashed craft not of this

3130
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:14,639
Earth

3131
02:19:20,030 --> 02:19:18,240
now what do we do with that when you

3132
02:19:21,530 --> 02:19:20,040
just said you know they of course

3133
02:19:23,870 --> 02:19:21,540
they're sitting on information that

3134
02:19:26,089 --> 02:19:23,880
they're not sharing with us we have that

3135
02:19:28,730 --> 02:19:26,099
part that's in the budget clearly it's

3136
02:19:31,250 --> 02:19:28,740
there because they're concerned about

3137
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:31,260
crash retrievals and then you have Dr

3138
02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:33,840
Eric Davis saying we've got them in our

3139
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:36,660
possession what do you make of that well

3140
02:19:40,190 --> 02:19:38,399
they're two different narratives where

3141
02:19:42,169 --> 02:19:40,200
I'm not surprised do we always have this

3142
02:19:43,969 --> 02:19:42,179
we have one side saying one thing and

3143
02:19:46,370 --> 02:19:43,979
one side saying the other

3144
02:19:49,550 --> 02:19:46,380
do I know of any crash materials no I

3145
02:19:52,190 --> 02:19:49,560
don't like I do I believe that we might

3146
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:52,200
we possibly could I I haven't seen

3147
02:19:57,469 --> 02:19:54,720
anything on my end to say that yeah we

3148
02:19:59,690 --> 02:19:57,479
have I'm open-minded to any of those

3149
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:59,700
conversations into anything anyone says

3150
02:20:03,290 --> 02:20:01,680
I think Ralph Blumenthal is an amazing

3151
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,300
journalist I've interviewed him myself

3152
02:20:07,849 --> 02:20:05,520
I've talked to him many times and I do

3153
02:20:11,150 --> 02:20:07,859
respect his work and I respect the New

3154
02:20:12,830 --> 02:20:11,160
York Times work as well so but

3155
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:12,840
I think we're we're gonna have to see

3156
02:20:19,130 --> 02:20:16,560
there are very strong narratives and

3157
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:19,140
we've this is not new this is not new

3158
02:20:23,090 --> 02:20:21,359
and it's the same narrative that we hear

3159
02:20:24,290 --> 02:20:23,100
over and over again it's the

3160
02:20:26,270 --> 02:20:24,300
conversation is that we have to start

3161
02:20:28,429 --> 02:20:26,280
proving it or we start to need to have

3162
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,439
better evidence around it so that we can

3163
02:20:31,550 --> 02:20:30,000
you know we can have larger

3164
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:31,560
conversations rather than people saying

3165
02:20:35,150 --> 02:20:33,840
one thing and another saying one people

3166
02:20:39,530 --> 02:20:35,160
saying one thing and other people saying

3167
02:20:41,150 --> 02:20:39,540
other and and to that end uh the in the

3168
02:20:44,170 --> 02:20:41,160
budget man I've got something in my

3169
02:20:48,830 --> 02:20:44,180
throat I apologize everybody

3170
02:20:51,410 --> 02:20:48,840
that uh part of the legislation now is

3171
02:20:54,710 --> 02:20:51,420
that we will have a semi-annual that's

3172
02:20:59,450 --> 02:20:54,720
twice a year public report compiled

3173
02:21:03,469 --> 02:20:59,460
public presented to uh the Senate

3174
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:03,479
and that annually in December we will

3175
02:21:10,250 --> 02:21:07,040
have a classified report

3176
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:10,260
let's talk about the public side what do

3177
02:21:14,510 --> 02:21:13,380
you think will be disclosed every six

3178
02:21:16,550 --> 02:21:14,520
months

3179
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,560
to the public

3180
02:21:21,230 --> 02:21:19,680
probably new research new AI research I

3181
02:21:23,929 --> 02:21:21,240
was really interested when the report

3182
02:21:25,610 --> 02:21:23,939
first came out that they talked about Ai

3183
02:21:27,889 --> 02:21:25,620
and the technology they were going to

3184
02:21:30,830 --> 02:21:27,899
use that was important to me and I

3185
02:21:32,270 --> 02:21:30,840
wanted more information on that and what

3186
02:21:33,889 --> 02:21:32,280
that would look like and what the

3187
02:21:35,809 --> 02:21:33,899
government's using and what they will

3188
02:21:39,530 --> 02:21:35,819
show us and obviously what they won't

3189
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:39,540
show us so I think that we'll see a lot

3190
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:41,520
of conversations about technology

3191
02:21:46,250 --> 02:21:43,680
advancements probably information

3192
02:21:47,690 --> 02:21:46,260
sharing if they let that happen if

3193
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:47,700
groups that they're working with that

3194
02:21:51,710 --> 02:21:50,160
are either scientific groups

3195
02:21:53,690 --> 02:21:51,720
um stuff that's working with NASA Bill

3196
02:21:55,309 --> 02:21:53,700
Nelson we'll have a part in this and a

3197
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:55,319
conversation around it and what they're

3198
02:21:58,730 --> 02:21:57,120
doing so I think that it will be

3199
02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:58,740
consistently having all these different

3200
02:22:02,929 --> 02:22:01,200
chapters within government and

3201
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:02,939
within different organizations probably

3202
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:04,800
coming forward with what research they

3203
02:22:09,230 --> 02:22:07,680
have found and they're going to have to

3204
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:09,240
because people have more questions are

3205
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:10,560
they going to keep showing us images

3206
02:22:15,889 --> 02:22:13,680
gosh I would love video footage I would

3207
02:22:17,450 --> 02:22:15,899
love more you know better clear video

3208
02:22:19,610 --> 02:22:17,460
footage like all of us I would love

3209
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:19,620
better photo resolution

3210
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:21,600
I would love all of that are they going

3211
02:22:25,490 --> 02:22:23,760
to give it to us I don't know

3212
02:22:27,950 --> 02:22:25,500
um I don't think anytime soon they're

3213
02:22:29,809 --> 02:22:27,960
going to scream that aliens exist I

3214
02:22:31,969 --> 02:22:29,819
don't think that's gonna happen that

3215
02:22:33,530 --> 02:22:31,979
type of disclosure and as a PR person I

3216
02:22:35,870 --> 02:22:33,540
say this is something that you just

3217
02:22:38,809 --> 02:22:35,880
don't do in a report you don't just say

3218
02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:38,819
hey there's so much there's so much more

3219
02:22:42,969 --> 02:22:40,680
that goes around that and it's going to

3220
02:22:46,010 --> 02:22:42,979
take time if anything like that actually

3221
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:46,020
does come to a larger conversation that

3222
02:22:49,790 --> 02:22:47,520
they need to be had and there's evidence

3223
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:49,800
around it it's not going to happen in a

3224
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,319
report and then it will happen

3225
02:22:59,030 --> 02:22:54,960
probably in a massive press conference

3226
02:23:01,070 --> 02:22:59,040
there won't be a report and if they do I

3227
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:01,080
will I would shake my head at the

3228
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:03,120
government to do that there will be more

3229
02:23:07,790 --> 02:23:05,040
I believe so

3230
02:23:09,410 --> 02:23:07,800
I think research technology working

3231
02:23:11,870 --> 02:23:09,420
together and maybe hopefully better

3232
02:23:13,370 --> 02:23:11,880
photos and resolution but we'll see but

3233
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:13,380
I think that there will be conversations

3234
02:23:17,870 --> 02:23:16,319
around Ai and other Tech that they're

3235
02:23:21,050 --> 02:23:17,880
using now

3236
02:23:23,530 --> 02:23:21,060
um I there is oh I want to show I've

3237
02:23:25,730 --> 02:23:23,540
been taking you know I write things down

3238
02:23:30,530 --> 02:23:25,740
as I go

3239
02:23:33,770 --> 02:23:30,540
through a a conversation it's very

3240
02:23:36,410 --> 02:23:33,780
interesting how I'm writing stuff down

3241
02:23:38,510 --> 02:23:36,420
and you have brought it up before I can

3242
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:38,520
ask the question and that's really not

3243
02:23:41,950 --> 02:23:40,890
cool I'm in your mind

3244
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:41,960
[Music]

3245
02:23:47,330 --> 02:23:44,160
I don't want to I don't want the bottom

3246
02:23:50,090 --> 02:23:47,340
half but probably an hour ago I wrote

3247
02:23:52,730 --> 02:23:50,100
Bill Nelson down and and put a square

3248
02:23:54,410 --> 02:23:52,740
around it and and did get a chance to

3249
02:23:58,670 --> 02:23:54,420
get to it but you just brought up Bill

3250
02:24:02,210 --> 02:23:58,680
Nelson from a PR standpoint I think that

3251
02:24:05,690 --> 02:24:02,220
it was one of the most ex explosive 10

3252
02:24:08,510 --> 02:24:05,700
minutes uh from him uh two months ago

3253
02:24:10,070 --> 02:24:08,520
when he was speaking to a university on

3254
02:24:13,010 --> 02:24:10,080
the east coast and it was a political

3255
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:13,020
that's that's the whole trip about that

3256
02:24:19,849 --> 02:24:17,280
was for me Chrissy it was a a professor

3257
02:24:23,030 --> 02:24:19,859
of politics and they are discussing the

3258
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,040
politics of NASA that that's compelling

3259
02:24:26,230 --> 02:24:25,439
right there but the last 10 minutes of

3260
02:24:31,570 --> 02:24:26,240
that

3261
02:24:35,210 --> 02:24:31,580
was about E.T and NASA's search for

3262
02:24:39,469 --> 02:24:35,220
extraterrestrial civilizations and Bill

3263
02:24:42,830 --> 02:24:39,479
Nelson again from a peer PR standpoint

3264
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:42,840
he didn't get into hypotheticals

3265
02:24:47,750 --> 02:24:45,600
he was like man something is visiting

3266
02:24:50,270 --> 02:24:47,760
this planet and we need to find out what

3267
02:24:53,809 --> 02:24:50,280
this is he went straight there

3268
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:53,819
how did that die on the vine in the

3269
02:24:58,309 --> 02:24:55,920
media why wasn't that like the biggest

3270
02:25:02,510 --> 02:24:58,319
story of 2021

3271
02:25:04,370 --> 02:25:02,520
oh that's a great question

3272
02:25:06,770 --> 02:25:04,380
I don't know I don't know why and I

3273
02:25:09,530 --> 02:25:06,780
asked the same thing why isn't UFOs like

3274
02:25:11,510 --> 02:25:09,540
still consistently like everyone talking

3275
02:25:13,730 --> 02:25:11,520
about it it's the same thing I think it

3276
02:25:16,370 --> 02:25:13,740
dies all the time you have certain

3277
02:25:17,929 --> 02:25:16,380
lectures or conversations where like you

3278
02:25:20,210 --> 02:25:17,939
know only two people two thousand people

3279
02:25:22,730 --> 02:25:20,220
show up to view them it's like what what

3280
02:25:24,410 --> 02:25:22,740
is going on so I think that that's one

3281
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:24,420
of them maybe a lot of news media wasn't

3282
02:25:29,870 --> 02:25:27,359
fully particular I imagine I know a lot

3283
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:29,880
of them were watching it so I'm

3284
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:32,160
surprised too I don't know why I wish it

3285
02:25:35,389 --> 02:25:33,120
was

3286
02:25:37,250 --> 02:25:35,399
but also there's no evidence around it

3287
02:25:38,809 --> 02:25:37,260
too that you know I would have really

3288
02:25:40,670 --> 02:25:38,819
gone down on that statement and talked

3289
02:25:42,170 --> 02:25:40,680
about it too in press but sometimes

3290
02:25:43,730 --> 02:25:42,180
they're going to shy away from it it

3291
02:25:46,429 --> 02:25:43,740
also takes a long time for things to go

3292
02:25:48,110 --> 02:25:46,439
up the newsletter as well so they might

3293
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:48,120
have said hey let's take this as a quote

3294
02:25:51,230 --> 02:25:49,920
let's use this and then the higher head

3295
02:25:52,969 --> 02:25:51,240
up in the news Department was just like

3296
02:25:55,070 --> 02:25:52,979
no we don't have enough time we're going

3297
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:55,080
to slice that so there's lots of reasons

3298
02:25:59,090 --> 02:25:56,640
why it happens it doesn't mean that the

3299
02:26:01,070 --> 02:25:59,100
person higher up has an agenda

3300
02:26:02,510 --> 02:26:01,080
um or that the news Outlet you know

3301
02:26:04,190 --> 02:26:02,520
there's one person that's up there

3302
02:26:06,050 --> 02:26:04,200
that's saying no we can't do this there

3303
02:26:07,610 --> 02:26:06,060
are people that do do it and they stop

3304
02:26:09,889 --> 02:26:07,620
stories it's very true it's happened

3305
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,899
actually to myself twice I've seen it

3306
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:11,520
happen where a story has been stopped an

3307
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:13,439
hour before it's supposed to go live so

3308
02:26:17,389 --> 02:26:16,080
it does happen but I don't know I wish

3309
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,399
that they would have they would have

3310
02:26:21,710 --> 02:26:19,439
talked more about Bill Nelson and I I

3311
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:21,720
wish NASA but isn't it NASA's mandate to

3312
02:26:24,830 --> 02:26:24,000
look for ETS though as well like it has

3313
02:26:26,570 --> 02:26:24,840
been

3314
02:26:28,190 --> 02:26:26,580
for extraterrestrial life in the

3315
02:26:29,750 --> 02:26:28,200
conversation around it it's still it's

3316
02:26:31,969 --> 02:26:29,760
still in there and don't quote me on

3317
02:26:34,670 --> 02:26:31,979
that but I believe it yeah I mean okay

3318
02:26:37,730 --> 02:26:34,680
to to a certain degree the part that

3319
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:37,740
NASA always discussed was we're looking

3320
02:26:43,250 --> 02:26:40,800
for microbial life we're looking for

3321
02:26:45,230 --> 02:26:43,260
evidence we're looking for something in

3322
02:26:47,389 --> 02:26:45,240
fossils you know we're digging in the

3323
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:47,399
dirt we're squirting water on stuff to

3324
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:49,920
see if it'll grow you know and so yeah

3325
02:26:56,210 --> 02:26:51,600
they've always made those statements

3326
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,220
sure Bill Nelson took it way beyond that

3327
02:27:01,250 --> 02:26:58,560
and just like you brought up the United

3328
02:27:04,010 --> 02:27:01,260
Nations you know just like those quotes

3329
02:27:06,710 --> 02:27:04,020
from Ronald Reagan's speech at the

3330
02:27:09,830 --> 02:27:06,720
United Nations about aliens and and

3331
02:27:11,870 --> 02:27:09,840
bringing the world together that is one

3332
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:11,880
of the the most compelling and repeated

3333
02:27:16,190 --> 02:27:13,920
sound bites out there I love it it's

3334
02:27:19,370 --> 02:27:16,200
part of the intro to fade to black those

3335
02:27:22,670 --> 02:27:19,380
statements from Bill Nelson I think hold

3336
02:27:24,170 --> 02:27:22,680
the same weight have the same weight and

3337
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,180
it that should have been a sound bite

3338
02:27:28,670 --> 02:27:26,160
out there in the media and it didn't

3339
02:27:31,070 --> 02:27:28,680
catch I was blown away by that Chrissy

3340
02:27:32,630 --> 02:27:31,080
yeah I am too I agree with that I think

3341
02:27:35,210 --> 02:27:32,640
that sometimes things hit or miss

3342
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:35,220
question is then who is deciding to to

3343
02:27:39,710 --> 02:27:37,439
not do it and then why I would like to

3344
02:27:41,870 --> 02:27:39,720
know why certain Outlets that are at

3345
02:27:43,969 --> 02:27:41,880
least large broadcast Outlets said no

3346
02:27:45,530 --> 02:27:43,979
that they weren't going to do that piece

3347
02:27:47,630 --> 02:27:45,540
there might be a reason to it too

3348
02:27:51,170 --> 02:27:47,640
there's also not many journalists that

3349
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:51,180
as we know that can speak about UFOs in

3350
02:27:55,370 --> 02:27:53,760
this topic very well there's not many

3351
02:27:57,309 --> 02:27:55,380
it's generally our community that

3352
02:28:00,770 --> 02:27:57,319
probably should all be doing

3353
02:28:02,990 --> 02:28:00,780
journalism for it to be honest because

3354
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:03,000
our community does a way better job of

3355
02:28:07,309 --> 02:28:05,340
it and let's be honest news media looks

3356
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:07,319
to our community now they never did

3357
02:28:11,929 --> 02:28:09,359
before and that's something that I love

3358
02:28:14,030 --> 02:28:11,939
about this switch is that instead of

3359
02:28:16,370 --> 02:28:14,040
laughing at us now they're going okay we

3360
02:28:18,349 --> 02:28:16,380
need to partner with you now because you

3361
02:28:20,750 --> 02:28:18,359
know more than we do and we don't have

3362
02:28:23,090 --> 02:28:20,760
the time or the resources and it takes

3363
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:23,100
longer for us to get things up the news

3364
02:28:27,469 --> 02:28:25,200
chain and so

3365
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,479
I think that they're looking at us now

3366
02:28:31,550 --> 02:28:29,760
as a resource and the best thing that I

3367
02:28:33,170 --> 02:28:31,560
think the UFO Community can do when it

3368
02:28:35,690 --> 02:28:33,180
comes to seeding information to

3369
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:35,700
mainstream media I obviously don't agree

3370
02:28:40,250 --> 02:28:37,680
with just you know sending stuff to tips

3371
02:28:41,929 --> 02:28:40,260
emails and random things you really need

3372
02:28:43,250 --> 02:28:41,939
to have a case when you're talking to a

3373
02:28:45,050 --> 02:28:43,260
journalist and understand how to speak

3374
02:28:46,969 --> 02:28:45,060
to them but you need to give them lead

3375
02:28:48,170 --> 02:28:46,979
time and I think that's really important

3376
02:28:50,990 --> 02:28:48,180
that our community doesn't understand

3377
02:28:52,250 --> 02:28:51,000
yet is that you can't just assume that

3378
02:28:53,929 --> 02:28:52,260
media is going to pick up something

3379
02:28:55,730 --> 02:28:53,939
right away all the time

3380
02:28:57,590 --> 02:28:55,740
it takes a long time for things to get

3381
02:28:59,690 --> 02:28:57,600
approved so if you do have information

3382
02:29:01,610 --> 02:28:59,700
or things that you want to get out you

3383
02:29:03,410 --> 02:29:01,620
need to give them sometimes a month or

3384
02:29:05,630 --> 02:29:03,420
even two months depending on what the

3385
02:29:07,370 --> 02:29:05,640
story is so that they're able to push it

3386
02:29:08,809 --> 02:29:07,380
through the ladder because it's not

3387
02:29:10,250 --> 02:29:08,819
because the latter's saying oh we don't

3388
02:29:12,650 --> 02:29:10,260
want to talk to this and we have agenda

3389
02:29:14,270 --> 02:29:12,660
they have like 20 million other things

3390
02:29:16,130 --> 02:29:14,280
that they have to worry about it's not

3391
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:16,140
just UFOs or stuff going on in the world

3392
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:17,280
they need to worry about what's

3393
02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:18,960
happening with China they need to

3394
02:29:22,969 --> 02:29:20,880
protopping with covet there's so many

3395
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:22,979
stories so this is just even a small

3396
02:29:27,889 --> 02:29:25,680
story to them when it's massive to us so

3397
02:29:30,290 --> 02:29:27,899
the more time that you give an outlet if

3398
02:29:32,210 --> 02:29:30,300
it's print if it's broadcast which is

3399
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:32,220
radio or television if it's even a

3400
02:29:37,490 --> 02:29:34,800
podcast give them time and give them

3401
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,500
good evidence to be and go to the right

3402
02:29:41,570 --> 02:29:39,840
journalist to be able to push it up the

3403
02:29:43,969 --> 02:29:41,580
ladder then you'll have a story that's

3404
02:29:46,250 --> 02:29:43,979
told properly now speaking of a story

3405
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:46,260
that's told properly uh Chris playing

3406
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:47,760
was on the show a couple of weeks ago

3407
02:29:55,070 --> 02:29:52,800
and he had he he had the runs of the

3408
02:29:58,010 --> 02:29:55,080
mouth I'm just going to say that and he

3409
02:30:00,590 --> 02:29:58,020
said on this program Chrissy he said man

3410
02:30:01,730 --> 02:30:00,600
uh we're bringing somebody over at the

3411
02:30:03,770 --> 02:30:01,740
debrief

3412
02:30:06,050 --> 02:30:03,780
we're adding a team member that's going

3413
02:30:09,710 --> 02:30:06,060
to blow everybody's mind

3414
02:30:13,130 --> 02:30:09,720
stay tuned who is he talking about I

3415
02:30:16,370 --> 02:30:13,140
can't tell you that you know that

3416
02:30:18,650 --> 02:30:16,380
Tim's okay with it MJ's okay with it you

3417
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,660
imagine I'm like well it's actually

3418
02:30:23,809 --> 02:30:21,120
um I can say it's this week I can say

3419
02:30:26,990 --> 02:30:23,819
that oh what did let's go it's go time

3420
02:30:29,889 --> 02:30:27,000
come on Jimmy you know I know who's

3421
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:29,899
gonna be upset who's gonna be upset

3422
02:30:34,910 --> 02:30:33,120
no just joking I no but it comes out

3423
02:30:37,550 --> 02:30:34,920
this week so if everybody wants to go to

3424
02:30:40,010 --> 02:30:37,560
debrief.org they can you know or follow

3425
02:30:43,550 --> 02:30:40,020
us on Twitter or social media and wait

3426
02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:43,560
for that story to come out then there

3427
02:30:47,030 --> 02:30:45,359
um there's some good legs to it there

3428
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:47,040
will be other legs to it as well that

3429
02:30:51,170 --> 02:30:48,720
will come out and shake your head at me

3430
02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:51,180
he's shaking his head he's like come on

3431
02:30:56,809 --> 02:30:53,819
Chrissy tell us I was gonna I was gonna

3432
02:30:58,010 --> 02:30:56,819
keep you over for overtime but I've just

3433
02:31:03,250 --> 02:30:58,020
changed my mind

3434
02:31:07,070 --> 02:31:03,260
conversation done but

3435
02:31:10,190 --> 02:31:07,080
but but why not though I mean as as a

3436
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:10,200
publicist and and and letting us know

3437
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:12,479
right now on the air suddenly you've got

3438
02:31:16,490 --> 02:31:14,399
a breaking story then it's going to be

3439
02:31:19,429 --> 02:31:16,500
confirmed on the debrief and you guys

3440
02:31:21,770 --> 02:31:19,439
are Off to the Races so why not who is

3441
02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:21,780
it yeah because it's our story to tell

3442
02:31:25,849 --> 02:31:23,880
and also the people that that are

3443
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:25,859
connected to the story has agreed that

3444
02:31:30,230 --> 02:31:28,560
everything's under embargo so when you

3445
02:31:31,550 --> 02:31:30,240
have an embargo you can't breach your

3446
02:31:33,050 --> 02:31:31,560
embargo I can't even breach my own

3447
02:31:34,730 --> 02:31:33,060
embargo I've told everybody else the

3448
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:34,740
Embargo it's not like I can breach my

3449
02:31:40,370 --> 02:31:37,680
own okay all right well I have this week

3450
02:31:43,910 --> 02:31:40,380
this week I have a I have a private

3451
02:31:46,370 --> 02:31:43,920
email with a name in it

3452
02:31:50,809 --> 02:31:46,380
can I say the name out loud

3453
02:31:55,309 --> 02:31:53,030
all right we're heading to overtime next

3454
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:55,319
our guest tonight Chrissy Newton

3455
02:31:59,330 --> 02:31:57,120
director of media and PR for the debrief

3456
02:32:00,830 --> 02:31:59,340
we're going to go into overtime and uh

3457
02:32:03,290 --> 02:32:00,840
we're gonna have some fun when we come

3458
02:32:05,630 --> 02:32:03,300
back we'll uh we'll we'll take this

3459
02:32:07,010 --> 02:32:05,640
serious hat off and I've got some other

3460
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:07,020
things that we're going to discuss so

3461
02:32:11,690 --> 02:32:09,359
stay right there Chrissy this is Fade to

3462
02:32:13,730 --> 02:32:11,700
Black I'm your host Jimmy Church

3463
02:32:16,090 --> 02:32:13,740
great night on the show I want to remind

3464
02:32:18,889 --> 02:32:16,100
everybody tomorrow night I have Marco

3465
02:32:21,469 --> 02:32:18,899
check this out though all first-time

3466
02:32:24,590 --> 02:32:21,479
guests this week here on Fade to Black

3467
02:32:25,910 --> 02:32:24,600
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overtime with Chrissy Newton

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and as everybody knows when we get to

3570
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this point in the show uh when we go

3571
02:37:59,150 --> 02:37:56,460
into overtime you know I'd like to

3572
02:38:02,809 --> 02:37:59,160
loosen up a little bit and I actually

3573
02:38:07,070 --> 02:38:02,819
want to uh to start here

3574
02:38:08,210 --> 02:38:07,080
the world Science Festival is my private

3575
02:38:12,889 --> 02:38:08,220
addiction

3576
02:38:16,610 --> 02:38:12,899
me too oh man I I feel good right so

3577
02:38:19,070 --> 02:38:16,620
good I mean I just I I just can't I I

3578
02:38:20,750 --> 02:38:19,080
just can't get enough of it and I I

3579
02:38:25,010 --> 02:38:20,760
think that over

3580
02:38:27,770 --> 02:38:25,020
the last few years I may have

3581
02:38:30,530 --> 02:38:27,780
seen or listened to every single

3582
02:38:32,990 --> 02:38:30,540
presentation that they have done wow

3583
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:33,000
some some more than uh I've you know

3584
02:38:38,510 --> 02:38:35,520
I've gone back and and for those of you

3585
02:38:42,170 --> 02:38:38,520
that this is Brian Greene's thing that

3586
02:38:45,050 --> 02:38:42,180
he does in in New York City and uh and

3587
02:38:50,090 --> 02:38:45,060
he brings on intellectuals uh to talk

3588
02:38:53,150 --> 02:38:50,100
about uh a huge huge uh variety of

3589
02:38:56,450 --> 02:38:53,160
subjects when it comes to science and

3590
02:38:59,210 --> 02:38:56,460
one of the things that they do talk

3591
02:39:00,770 --> 02:38:59,220
about as much as anything else and yeah

3592
02:39:03,650 --> 02:39:00,780
they talk about physics and Science and

3593
02:39:06,770 --> 02:39:03,660
string theory and and and and really go

3594
02:39:09,230 --> 02:39:06,780
deep artificial intelligence and it's

3595
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:09,240
crazy but they have been talking a lot

3596
02:39:15,770 --> 02:39:13,200
about contact and and extraterrestrial

3597
02:39:18,410 --> 02:39:15,780
life and it's very interesting to see

3598
02:39:20,330 --> 02:39:18,420
these academics you know get on stage

3599
02:39:24,590 --> 02:39:20,340
some are journalists you know it's not

3600
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:24,600
necessarily all academics and phds but

3601
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:26,399
they're not afraid to talk about this

3602
02:39:31,130 --> 02:39:27,840
subject at the world Science Festival

3603
02:39:33,530 --> 02:39:31,140
are they no I love it and I think that's

3604
02:39:35,270 --> 02:39:33,540
what's it makes it so compelling and

3605
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:35,280
every I think a lot of people these are

3606
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:36,240
the right people having the right

3607
02:39:39,770 --> 02:39:37,920
conversations too

3608
02:39:42,110 --> 02:39:39,780
the one thing again I guess I'll go back

3609
02:39:45,170 --> 02:39:42,120
to mainstream media the world Science

3610
02:39:47,870 --> 02:39:45,180
Festival is doing round tables I love

3611
02:39:50,750 --> 02:39:47,880
academic roundtables and I want to see

3612
02:39:52,990 --> 02:39:50,760
more of that in entertainment and news

3613
02:39:55,550 --> 02:39:53,000
media I want to see political

3614
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:55,560
Roundtable Converse like political round

3615
02:39:59,809 --> 02:39:57,680
town for conversations about

3616
02:40:02,210 --> 02:39:59,819
extraterrestrials about the concept of

3617
02:40:03,410 --> 02:40:02,220
extraterrestrials about UFOs I want to

3618
02:40:05,690 --> 02:40:03,420
see that like technically I'd love to

3619
02:40:06,429 --> 02:40:05,700
see a UFO network but you know one could

3620
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:06,439
help

3621
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,600
but I would love to see them having its

3622
02:40:12,650 --> 02:40:11,040
staged like political Roundtable

3623
02:40:15,050 --> 02:40:12,660
discussions because that's where we're

3624
02:40:17,690 --> 02:40:15,060
at right now and those are huge

3625
02:40:20,690 --> 02:40:17,700
audiences that they have oh yeah man

3626
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:20,700
that is just uh and if you haven't

3627
02:40:27,230 --> 02:40:24,000
checked it out it's an easy search World

3628
02:40:30,889 --> 02:40:27,240
Science Festival to just go

3629
02:40:34,309 --> 02:40:30,899
Um years and years of uh of stuff that

3630
02:40:36,889 --> 02:40:34,319
the only issue that I have and it's it

3631
02:40:39,650 --> 02:40:36,899
is they're too short

3632
02:40:43,070 --> 02:40:39,660
right right they they're too short

3633
02:40:46,969 --> 02:40:43,080
they'll they'll have uh six six people

3634
02:40:49,250 --> 02:40:46,979
on the stage or whatever and and two

3635
02:40:51,830 --> 02:40:49,260
hours to get through these uh uh

3636
02:40:54,469 --> 02:40:51,840
subjects and I think they should be four

3637
02:40:57,530 --> 02:40:54,479
hours you know they're it's almost too

3638
02:41:00,050 --> 02:40:57,540
short uh but just amazing I I I can't

3639
02:41:02,510 --> 02:41:00,060
get enough of it okay now my next

3640
02:41:04,910 --> 02:41:02,520
question though is

3641
02:41:08,349 --> 02:41:04,920
don't laugh

3642
02:41:11,990 --> 02:41:08,359
um I look at the debrief Chrissy

3643
02:41:13,210 --> 02:41:12,000
as being young hip and fresh

3644
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:13,220
okay

3645
02:41:18,110 --> 02:41:16,080
everybody at the debrief is much younger

3646
02:41:21,710 --> 02:41:18,120
than I am

3647
02:41:23,450 --> 02:41:21,720
and and there seems to be and of course

3648
02:41:28,849 --> 02:41:23,460
you know I could even bring up you know

3649
02:41:30,889 --> 02:41:28,859
Christina Gomez and and the approach to

3650
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:30,899
the way that you guys convey this

3651
02:41:33,650 --> 02:41:32,399
knowledge and information and break

3652
02:41:37,010 --> 02:41:33,660
these stories

3653
02:41:40,910 --> 02:41:37,020
I think that you guys have a focus on

3654
02:41:44,690 --> 02:41:40,920
the generations or two or three that are

3655
02:41:46,790 --> 02:41:44,700
behind me am I wrong is that a focus for

3656
02:41:50,030 --> 02:41:46,800
you guys is that your approach and does

3657
02:41:52,910 --> 02:41:50,040
it just become naturally to you because

3658
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:52,920
of everybody's Collective ages

3659
02:41:57,050 --> 02:41:55,200
I think it's a it's a collection of Ages

3660
02:41:59,870 --> 02:41:57,060
Christina has a great handle in the

3661
02:42:02,389 --> 02:41:59,880
millennial market and younger so I think

3662
02:42:04,190 --> 02:42:02,399
that she has and she has a goal directed

3663
02:42:06,170 --> 02:42:04,200
there and we know that and I love her

3664
02:42:07,790 --> 02:42:06,180
for that especially being a woman in

3665
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:07,800
this and Christine if you're listening I

3666
02:42:13,070 --> 02:42:09,600
love you for that immensely and she's

3667
02:42:14,690 --> 02:42:13,080
one of the brightest women I know at her

3668
02:42:17,269 --> 02:42:14,700
age like I've said to her I was like you

3669
02:42:18,530 --> 02:42:17,279
are a brain and I love you like I said I

3670
02:42:20,570 --> 02:42:18,540
can't wait to see what you do when

3671
02:42:22,490 --> 02:42:20,580
you're 30. like I'm excited I'm putting

3672
02:42:23,990 --> 02:42:22,500
my bets on you

3673
02:42:25,969 --> 02:42:24,000
um and so I think yeah I think

3674
02:42:28,730 --> 02:42:25,979
collectively but how this Collective

3675
02:42:31,969 --> 02:42:28,740
started is just crazy in its own way

3676
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:31,979
it's so organic it's beautiful and it

3677
02:42:36,050 --> 02:42:34,319
just works well and I don't say this

3678
02:42:37,929 --> 02:42:36,060
because I you know I work for the

3679
02:42:40,849 --> 02:42:37,939
company it's like I actually fully

3680
02:42:42,769 --> 02:42:40,859
full-heartedly say it I've never ever

3681
02:42:45,170 --> 02:42:42,779
worked with a group of people that work

3682
02:42:47,290 --> 02:42:45,180
like this like we're on a Discord app

3683
02:42:49,610 --> 02:42:47,300
and we talk to each other

3684
02:42:50,990 --> 02:42:49,620
there's conversations and dependent

3685
02:42:53,389 --> 02:42:51,000
conversations people are working

3686
02:42:55,010 --> 02:42:53,399
together there is this understanding

3687
02:42:57,170 --> 02:42:55,020
that it's a collective and when you have

3688
02:42:58,910 --> 02:42:57,180
to get something done you just do it

3689
02:43:00,349 --> 02:42:58,920
together and there's not even a question

3690
02:43:02,450 --> 02:43:00,359
asked I don't think I've ever heard

3691
02:43:04,429 --> 02:43:02,460
people can say no obviously but I don't

3692
02:43:06,050 --> 02:43:04,439
hear it a lot it's usually because if

3693
02:43:07,969 --> 02:43:06,060
somebody's busy on something else but

3694
02:43:10,070 --> 02:43:07,979
they find a way to do it they find a way

3695
02:43:12,410 --> 02:43:10,080
to help each other Christina is amazing

3696
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:12,420
at that as well she'll help and jump in

3697
02:43:16,190 --> 02:43:14,399
and when stuff that it's if it's news

3698
02:43:17,929 --> 02:43:16,200
related and it's not even related to her

3699
02:43:19,370 --> 02:43:17,939
own show that she does she'll help

3700
02:43:22,010 --> 02:43:19,380
people out she'll help people in our

3701
02:43:23,389 --> 02:43:22,020
Tech shows you know Tim's the same way

3702
02:43:25,309 --> 02:43:23,399
you know Mike is I have an interview

3703
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:25,319
coming up too and I was like Micah can I

3704
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:27,359
bump off some history you know he's such

3705
02:43:31,250 --> 02:43:29,040
a historian on it can I bump this off

3706
02:43:33,469 --> 02:43:31,260
you what do you think and people are

3707
02:43:36,530 --> 02:43:33,479
always there and welcome to do it so I

3708
02:43:38,990 --> 02:43:36,540
don't know why this Collective started

3709
02:43:41,630 --> 02:43:39,000
in in really how it did it just happened

3710
02:43:43,490 --> 02:43:41,640
and we do have a handle in a

3711
02:43:45,889 --> 02:43:43,500
generational piece but I think that with

3712
02:43:49,370 --> 02:43:45,899
Micah and Tim's and MJ's understanding

3713
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:49,380
of History overall it breaches and goes

3714
02:43:52,910 --> 02:43:50,880
into all different Generations because

3715
02:43:55,849 --> 02:43:52,920
my kid can talk to somebody who's 70 or

3716
02:43:58,010 --> 02:43:55,859
80 about this but he also could talk to

3717
02:44:00,469 --> 02:43:58,020
got a 14 year old if he really wanted to

3718
02:44:02,450 --> 02:44:00,479
so I think we're I think there's an

3719
02:44:06,170 --> 02:44:02,460
ability there and we're also in that

3720
02:44:07,610 --> 02:44:06,180
prime age you know I'm 38 now and some

3721
02:44:09,469 --> 02:44:07,620
of us are between the ages I believe

3722
02:44:11,210 --> 02:44:09,479
it's like 32. Christine is not

3723
02:44:13,309 --> 02:44:11,220
Christina's 22 now I believe we're going

3724
02:44:14,990 --> 02:44:13,319
to be 23 this year if it's okay if I

3725
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:15,000
said your age Christina Jesus I just

3726
02:44:18,650 --> 02:44:17,040
realized that sorry honey I think you

3727
02:44:19,730 --> 02:44:18,660
know you've never said you're an age

3728
02:44:21,889 --> 02:44:19,740
quickly

3729
02:44:24,170 --> 02:44:21,899
um but then everyone else

3730
02:44:27,469 --> 02:44:24,180
age range so I'm going to say like you

3731
02:44:29,630 --> 02:44:27,479
know like young 20s to like 50s so we

3732
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:29,640
have a massive demo and we're

3733
02:44:33,769 --> 02:44:31,200
communicating and we all work together

3734
02:44:35,210 --> 02:44:33,779
it's just it's wild I've never seen it

3735
02:44:36,830 --> 02:44:35,220
before and I've never seen people work

3736
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:36,840
around the world like this before too

3737
02:44:43,490 --> 02:44:39,840
well yeah and you just said Discord you

3738
02:44:47,150 --> 02:44:43,500
know and I I don't know of uh

3739
02:44:50,510 --> 02:44:47,160
too many news organizations that would

3740
02:44:52,670 --> 02:44:50,520
use a tool like Discord Discord to me

3741
02:44:54,650 --> 02:44:52,680
says young right that's a good point

3742
02:44:57,530 --> 02:44:54,660
yeah and you have to understand what

3743
02:45:01,010 --> 02:44:57,540
that tool can actually do for you but

3744
02:45:03,889 --> 02:45:01,020
let me tell you I I got on Discord

3745
02:45:07,130 --> 02:45:03,899
I didn't know what I was doing right and

3746
02:45:08,330 --> 02:45:07,140
I was like man am I that old no really I

3747
02:45:10,190 --> 02:45:08,340
know what Jimmy I don't think a lot of

3748
02:45:11,809 --> 02:45:10,200
people use Discord I think you have to

3749
02:45:13,969 --> 02:45:11,819
have a reason to do it or you're in a

3750
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:13,979
community that like has a Discord you

3751
02:45:17,870 --> 02:45:15,600
have to kind of be in a counterculture a

3752
02:45:19,610 --> 02:45:17,880
subculture or create something to use

3753
02:45:21,410 --> 02:45:19,620
Discord because I don't the mainstream's

3754
02:45:23,090 --> 02:45:21,420
not using it all the time it's usually

3755
02:45:27,490 --> 02:45:23,100
counter cultures and subcultures that do

3756
02:45:30,410 --> 02:45:27,500
so yes and and there's um

3757
02:45:35,450 --> 02:45:30,420
well but but here's the other part you

3758
02:45:38,530 --> 02:45:35,460
guys fully embrace the internet and all

3759
02:45:42,590 --> 02:45:38,540
of the tools that are available to you

3760
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:42,600
for media and for a media organization

3761
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:45,359
which is what the debrief is that's a

3762
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:47,040
totally different approach and look into

3763
02:45:52,429 --> 02:45:49,200
the future and not going with the old

3764
02:45:54,410 --> 02:45:52,439
established ways of doing things totally

3765
02:45:57,050 --> 02:45:54,420
and I think we have no choice too right

3766
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:57,060
we have to embrace technology because we

3767
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:59,279
live all over the world and it also

3768
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:00,960
we're a startup company it's not like we

3769
02:46:05,809 --> 02:46:04,080
have mass amounts of budgets to buy all

3770
02:46:07,670 --> 02:46:05,819
these tools we have to use what's

3771
02:46:10,190 --> 02:46:07,680
readily available to us that could be

3772
02:46:11,690 --> 02:46:10,200
free or you know less expensive and to

3773
02:46:13,010 --> 02:46:11,700
find a ways of communication if we're

3774
02:46:14,450 --> 02:46:13,020
buying all this stuff we just wouldn't

3775
02:46:16,010 --> 02:46:14,460
be able to run the organization because

3776
02:46:18,050 --> 02:46:16,020
we're still new we're still a startup

3777
02:46:20,750 --> 02:46:18,060
News company that's growing now it's

3778
02:46:22,610 --> 02:46:20,760
only been a year old so it's been an

3779
02:46:24,830 --> 02:46:22,620
unbelievable year like for me it's been

3780
02:46:27,050 --> 02:46:24,840
a year at the end of this month now but

3781
02:46:29,150 --> 02:46:27,060
it started in November of last year and

3782
02:46:31,250 --> 02:46:29,160
so like it's it's been unbelievable

3783
02:46:33,170 --> 02:46:31,260
watching this and watching it grow so

3784
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:33,180
fast I've never seen this either so

3785
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:35,279
being part of is exciting and also we

3786
02:46:39,710 --> 02:46:36,960
have to use the tools we have no choice

3787
02:46:40,670 --> 02:46:39,720
so we have to find ways that we're able

3788
02:46:42,530 --> 02:46:40,680
to communicate with each other

3789
02:46:44,809 --> 02:46:42,540
effectively and discord's just that for

3790
02:46:46,070 --> 02:46:44,819
us I'm like it works but we've gone

3791
02:46:47,630 --> 02:46:46,080
through multiple things outside of

3792
02:46:49,910 --> 02:46:47,640
Discord we've gone through other apps

3793
02:46:51,650 --> 02:46:49,920
and comp signal all these conversation

3794
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:51,660
things Discord just worked for us

3795
02:46:55,730 --> 02:46:53,520
because our organization was growing and

3796
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:55,740
we needed to bring people in instead of

3797
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:57,840
just always paying to bring people in so

3798
02:47:02,809 --> 02:47:00,479
Discord was just available for us so and

3799
02:47:04,429 --> 02:47:02,819
there's so many ways that you can people

3800
02:47:06,170 --> 02:47:04,439
organizations do so we're not the only

3801
02:47:08,150 --> 02:47:06,180
one I've seen tons of you know

3802
02:47:12,950 --> 02:47:08,160
organizations use all these types of

3803
02:47:15,410 --> 02:47:12,960
apps too so now the James Webb is uh the

3804
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:15,420
James Wood Space Telescope is now in

3805
02:47:20,210 --> 02:47:17,760
position it's unfurled it's unfolded

3806
02:47:23,230 --> 02:47:20,220
they're testing the systems it's

3807
02:47:26,690 --> 02:47:23,240
actually yeah I know right it actually

3808
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:26,700
uh went off without a hitch

3809
02:47:31,490 --> 02:47:28,800
right well at least everything that we

3810
02:47:36,950 --> 02:47:31,500
know right everything has been smooth

3811
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:36,960
but this is an opportunity its job is to

3812
02:47:41,450 --> 02:47:39,600
look at well not only the age of the

3813
02:47:44,809 --> 02:47:41,460
universe and that that's great that it

3814
02:47:47,269 --> 02:47:44,819
can peer back uh another 20 further uh

3815
02:47:50,809 --> 02:47:47,279
in that 13.8 billion years that's one

3816
02:47:54,290 --> 02:47:50,819
part of it but its main focus is to look

3817
02:47:57,769 --> 02:47:54,300
at atmospheres and and other exoplanets

3818
02:48:00,410 --> 02:47:57,779
and search for extraterrestrial life do

3819
02:48:02,030 --> 02:48:00,420
you do you think that that may be one of

3820
02:48:04,250 --> 02:48:02,040
the breaking stories in the next six

3821
02:48:06,830 --> 02:48:04,260
months when they fire that thing up that

3822
02:48:08,269 --> 02:48:06,840
something's about to happen I would love

3823
02:48:12,790 --> 02:48:08,279
that I don't think it's going to be in

3824
02:48:15,530 --> 02:48:12,800
six months but I would love for it to be

3825
02:48:17,750 --> 02:48:15,540
it would be one of the

3826
02:48:19,849 --> 02:48:17,760
it well again it's science then proving

3827
02:48:21,050 --> 02:48:19,859
which I think is fabulous and we need

3828
02:48:23,150 --> 02:48:21,060
more of that because we're getting

3829
02:48:24,710 --> 02:48:23,160
people that who don't believe in this

3830
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,720
what's happening right now or just want

3831
02:48:28,910 --> 02:48:26,399
to see more evidence right that will

3832
02:48:30,889 --> 02:48:28,920
Point towards it but

3833
02:48:33,050 --> 02:48:30,899
oh my God I'm forgetting the Rover's

3834
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:33,060
name that landed perseverance thank you

3835
02:48:36,410 --> 02:48:34,080
perseverance I was going to say

3836
02:48:38,330 --> 02:48:36,420
Ingenuity that's the helicopter but

3837
02:48:40,190 --> 02:48:38,340
perseverance is the same conversation

3838
02:48:42,889 --> 02:48:40,200
too when that was going off I remember

3839
02:48:44,809 --> 02:48:42,899
going oh my God here we go like this

3840
02:48:46,849 --> 02:48:44,819
this is what we're waiting for like this

3841
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:46,859
is what everybody's been waiting for it

3842
02:48:50,929 --> 02:48:49,200
is way more exciting to watch stuff

3843
02:48:53,150 --> 02:48:50,939
that's happening in science and

3844
02:48:55,849 --> 02:48:53,160
happening in space than like what sci-fi

3845
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:55,859
is giving us now personally I think I

3846
02:48:59,510 --> 02:48:58,080
think that will be and I think that news

3847
02:49:01,849 --> 02:48:59,520
media and everybody else will start

3848
02:49:03,410 --> 02:49:01,859
picking this up immensely once more

3849
02:49:04,969 --> 02:49:03,420
success coming back I don't think it's

3850
02:49:06,590 --> 02:49:04,979
going to be in six months but it will be

3851
02:49:08,389 --> 02:49:06,600
some point we'll start getting more

3852
02:49:10,429 --> 02:49:08,399
information and it's gonna be amazing

3853
02:49:12,290 --> 02:49:10,439
like remember when Voyager came back

3854
02:49:13,610 --> 02:49:12,300
with images I wasn't around at the time

3855
02:49:15,110 --> 02:49:13,620
but I remember it's one of my favorite

3856
02:49:16,969 --> 02:49:15,120
documentaries with voyager I believe

3857
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:16,979
it's on Netflix I think I've watched it

3858
02:49:21,170 --> 02:49:18,720
like six or seven times because I love

3859
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:21,180
Voyager so much I actually like it more

3860
02:49:24,650 --> 02:49:23,279
than the moon landings personally and

3861
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:24,660
people are going to hiss at me at that

3862
02:49:28,610 --> 02:49:27,359
one but I just love Voyager and that's

3863
02:49:30,830 --> 02:49:28,620
the moment that I think we're going to

3864
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:30,840
have with with James Webb as well and

3865
02:49:35,929 --> 02:49:32,880
I'm really excited to see the images I'm

3866
02:49:37,309 --> 02:49:35,939
excited to see the data everything we're

3867
02:49:40,010 --> 02:49:37,319
just lucky that we're going to be around

3868
02:49:42,650 --> 02:49:40,020
when all this starts coming out another

3869
02:49:45,410 --> 02:49:42,660
story broke today

3870
02:49:48,170 --> 02:49:45,420
um and I I know that you caught it we

3871
02:49:50,150 --> 02:49:48,180
haven't discussed it yet but uh you know

3872
02:49:52,849 --> 02:49:50,160
fast radio bursts and radio bursts and

3873
02:49:55,969 --> 02:49:52,859
radio signals uh it seems like we're

3874
02:49:58,309 --> 02:49:55,979
getting uh another press release on this

3875
02:50:00,590 --> 02:49:58,319
nearly every single day it's happening

3876
02:50:03,550 --> 02:50:00,600
all over the place well this press

3877
02:50:07,330 --> 02:50:03,560
release came out a couple of days ago

3878
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:07,340
that an anomaly 4 000 light years away

3879
02:50:11,809 --> 02:50:09,840
three times an hour

3880
02:50:15,290 --> 02:50:11,819
for about a minute

3881
02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:15,300
is releasing this radio burst and nobody

3882
02:50:21,170 --> 02:50:18,240
knows what this object is there's a lot

3883
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:21,180
of speculation but it's never been uh

3884
02:50:27,469 --> 02:50:24,000
seen like this before and then Yuri

3885
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:27,479
Geller comes out today and says prepare

3886
02:50:34,730 --> 02:50:30,240
for an alien invasion this is

3887
02:50:38,210 --> 02:50:34,740
communication that aliens are having and

3888
02:50:41,090 --> 02:50:38,220
expect something very soon

3889
02:50:43,370 --> 02:50:41,100
is is Yuri ahead of his skis

3890
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:43,380
I don't know about that we've had bursts

3891
02:50:46,910 --> 02:50:44,640
happen before

3892
02:50:49,730 --> 02:50:46,920
and they happen all the time yes yeah

3893
02:50:52,130 --> 02:50:49,740
exactly so I wouldn't say that we'll end

3894
02:50:54,170 --> 02:50:52,140
up proving what it was or figure it out

3895
02:50:56,990 --> 02:50:54,180
at some point or it will stop but I I

3896
02:50:58,849 --> 02:50:57,000
don't I'm just not it's so funny because

3897
02:51:00,410 --> 02:50:58,859
my narrative has probably changed over

3898
02:51:02,210 --> 02:51:00,420
the years I well I shouldn't say it

3899
02:51:05,210 --> 02:51:02,220
probably has it has changed over the

3900
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,220
years as I've learned more and I read

3901
02:51:11,150 --> 02:51:08,399
more and I investigate more my concepts

3902
02:51:13,790 --> 02:51:11,160
of aliens and what I feel that what I

3903
02:51:16,070 --> 02:51:13,800
thought maybe earlier in contact is very

3904
02:51:18,170 --> 02:51:16,080
different than what I feel now

3905
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:18,180
how has that changed

3906
02:51:23,389 --> 02:51:21,840
from research just research in reading

3907
02:51:25,010 --> 02:51:23,399
and understanding and having

3908
02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:25,020
conversations and being able to have

3909
02:51:29,150 --> 02:51:27,120
conversations with people that are in

3910
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,160
and very fortunate to have conversations

3911
02:51:33,410 --> 02:51:31,439
too with people that have more

3912
02:51:35,030 --> 02:51:33,420
information and insight and maybe

3913
02:51:37,070 --> 02:51:35,040
intellect at times that's for sure and

3914
02:51:39,410 --> 02:51:37,080
so maybe very much intellect more than

3915
02:51:41,809 --> 02:51:39,420
myself so I can ask questions and they

3916
02:51:43,849 --> 02:51:41,819
can answer that answer them and I think

3917
02:51:46,730 --> 02:51:43,859
that that's what's important and keep

3918
02:51:48,650 --> 02:51:46,740
reading and understanding in that and

3919
02:51:51,650 --> 02:51:48,660
evolving and being open-minded that what

3920
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:51,660
you believe is not always right and that

3921
02:51:56,870 --> 02:51:53,520
sometimes we have to understand that our

3922
02:51:59,389 --> 02:51:56,880
opinions are not facts and I'm okay with

3923
02:52:00,650 --> 02:51:59,399
that and I'm okay with my thoughts ever

3924
02:52:02,450 --> 02:52:00,660
evolving

3925
02:52:03,889 --> 02:52:02,460
I'm not sure if it's extraterrestrials

3926
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:03,899
you know I I don't know if it's

3927
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:05,040
interdimensional who knows if

3928
02:52:08,570 --> 02:52:06,720
extraterrestrials are interdimensional

3929
02:52:10,070 --> 02:52:08,580
we don't know what any of this stuff is

3930
02:52:11,750 --> 02:52:10,080
and anyone that's proving to say that

3931
02:52:13,610 --> 02:52:11,760
they do know they're obviously lying

3932
02:52:16,490 --> 02:52:13,620
because we don't and I will never listen

3933
02:52:17,870 --> 02:52:16,500
to them or ever look to do research with

3934
02:52:20,269 --> 02:52:17,880
them or speak with them because I don't

3935
02:52:21,889 --> 02:52:20,279
trust people like that but I trust

3936
02:52:23,150 --> 02:52:21,899
people that are open-minded and doing

3937
02:52:25,849 --> 02:52:23,160
their research and that are more

3938
02:52:27,769 --> 02:52:25,859
academics than I will ever be so I

3939
02:52:29,030 --> 02:52:27,779
appreciate people and minds and people

3940
02:52:30,889 --> 02:52:29,040
that are thinking about this and

3941
02:52:32,929 --> 02:52:30,899
especially in the Science World well

3942
02:52:36,410 --> 02:52:32,939
there's uh two ways to look at this if

3943
02:52:39,769 --> 02:52:36,420
you have the Avi lobe omuamua aspect to

3944
02:52:41,809 --> 02:52:39,779
this well we've got craft that are

3945
02:52:43,610 --> 02:52:41,819
traveling great distances and arriving

3946
02:52:47,630 --> 02:52:43,620
here

3947
02:52:53,050 --> 02:52:47,640
um and that is a tough one now although

3948
02:52:56,150 --> 02:52:53,060
I agree with Avi that omumua uh may be

3949
02:52:58,490 --> 02:52:56,160
unnatural okay all right that and that's

3950
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:58,500
that's a big reach but I'm okay with

3951
02:53:06,410 --> 02:53:01,439
that but the other side of it is space

3952
02:53:07,389 --> 02:53:06,420
is Big yeah right it is the distances to

3953
02:53:11,389 --> 02:53:07,399
travel

3954
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:11,399
uh I mean just consider Andromeda in the

3955
02:53:16,490 --> 02:53:13,920
distance from Andromeda from our own

3956
02:53:19,969 --> 02:53:16,500
Milky Way is ginormous and then just the

3957
02:53:23,469 --> 02:53:19,979
size of our own Milky Way and the

3958
02:53:26,090 --> 02:53:23,479
closest stars to us this the distances

3959
02:53:29,929 --> 02:53:26,100
there are huge

3960
02:53:31,969 --> 02:53:29,939
so how would this travel happen

3961
02:53:34,969 --> 02:53:31,979
it would be something that we don't

3962
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:34,979
understand right sure maybe it is

3963
02:53:39,530 --> 02:53:38,160
interdimensional yeah and we don't I

3964
02:53:41,330 --> 02:53:39,540
think those are things that science will

3965
02:53:42,889 --> 02:53:41,340
look to prove as we start to have

3966
02:53:45,290 --> 02:53:42,899
there's more open-minded to have this

3967
02:53:47,630 --> 02:53:45,300
call those conversations also we're our

3968
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:47,640
understanding of cosmology is changing

3969
02:53:51,769 --> 02:53:49,680
as well I believe that Hubble Space

3970
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:51,779
Telescope is coming back and it was out

3971
02:53:55,250 --> 02:53:53,760
there for so long and I believe the data

3972
02:53:57,050 --> 02:53:55,260
that we have is not always the most

3973
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:57,060
correct right now and I might be wrong

3974
02:54:00,349 --> 02:53:58,319
with that I remember reading this and

3975
02:54:01,550 --> 02:54:00,359
hearing it as well but the James Webb's

3976
02:54:03,889 --> 02:54:01,560
telescope is going to change our

3977
02:54:05,450 --> 02:54:03,899
understanding of cosmology too so we're

3978
02:54:06,889 --> 02:54:05,460
going to learn so much more of the

3979
02:54:10,130 --> 02:54:06,899
origins of the universe and everything

3980
02:54:12,170 --> 02:54:10,140
else so we're like Again The Next Step

3981
02:54:14,090 --> 02:54:12,180
going forward into understanding of who

3982
02:54:16,429 --> 02:54:14,100
we are and then what is around us and

3983
02:54:19,010 --> 02:54:16,439
what what else might be out there so I

3984
02:54:21,290 --> 02:54:19,020
think we're just beginning now and we

3985
02:54:23,389 --> 02:54:21,300
need to be mindful of that and wait now

3986
02:54:24,889 --> 02:54:23,399
since that we're open-minded and Society

3987
02:54:26,870 --> 02:54:24,899
is starting to be open-minded and

3988
02:54:28,730 --> 02:54:26,880
science is being open-minded that we

3989
02:54:32,090 --> 02:54:28,740
need to wait and see what comes back and

3990
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:32,100
then we digest it now when we have uh

3991
02:54:37,790 --> 02:54:34,800
the conversations from different

3992
02:54:40,750 --> 02:54:37,800
contactees over the year years things

3993
02:54:43,730 --> 02:54:40,760
that have repeated over and over again

3994
02:54:46,190 --> 02:54:43,740
that would absolutely suggest an

3995
02:54:48,230 --> 02:54:46,200
interdimensional aspect to this this

3996
02:54:50,570 --> 02:54:48,240
wasn't the conversation that people were

3997
02:54:53,389 --> 02:54:50,580
having in the science Community 25 30 40

3998
02:54:55,250 --> 02:54:53,399
years ago where it was the nuts and

3999
02:54:57,410 --> 02:54:55,260
bolts traveling at the speed of light

4000
02:54:59,570 --> 02:54:57,420
taking millions of years to make these

4001
02:55:03,230 --> 02:54:59,580
Journeys and how did they get this done

4002
02:55:07,610 --> 02:55:03,240
to suddenly an interdimensional extra

4003
02:55:10,490 --> 02:55:07,620
dimensional Multiverse uh parallel world

4004
02:55:13,010 --> 02:55:10,500
situation that science is giving us

4005
02:55:15,790 --> 02:55:13,020
today this is the conversation that

4006
02:55:19,490 --> 02:55:15,800
happens at the world Science Festival

4007
02:55:21,469 --> 02:55:19,500
right and now we can go back to all of

4008
02:55:23,990 --> 02:55:21,479
the contactees that have talked about

4009
02:55:26,210 --> 02:55:24,000
this interdimensional aspect to this

4010
02:55:29,389 --> 02:55:26,220
that maybe that's where we are today

4011
02:55:31,550 --> 02:55:29,399
Chrissy yeah I think that this subgroup

4012
02:55:34,130 --> 02:55:31,560
and I'll use it as a counterculture

4013
02:55:36,469 --> 02:55:34,140
group of people that are AB Tech tees or

4014
02:55:38,330 --> 02:55:36,479
any form of contact they have their own

4015
02:55:40,670 --> 02:55:38,340
community and that is thriving and it's

4016
02:55:42,050 --> 02:55:40,680
starting to move into this subculture

4017
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:42,060
that's moving into a mainstream they

4018
02:55:45,650 --> 02:55:43,920
have apps and communities that they're

4019
02:55:48,110 --> 02:55:45,660
part of they're you know they don't feel

4020
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:48,120
as ridiculed there's more vocal so there

4021
02:55:52,429 --> 02:55:50,160
is a place there and I will never tell

4022
02:55:53,870 --> 02:55:52,439
anybody who's had contact or any form of

4023
02:55:55,429 --> 02:55:53,880
trauma or anything else that they're

4024
02:55:57,349 --> 02:55:55,439
lying or that they're not right or that

4025
02:55:59,450 --> 02:55:57,359
they're crazy I don't know what that is

4026
02:56:02,630 --> 02:55:59,460
and anyone who does I have an issue with

4027
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,640
that too what we need to do is stop

4028
02:56:05,690 --> 02:56:04,319
blaming each other and pointing and

4029
02:56:08,210 --> 02:56:05,700
ridicule on that we just need to start

4030
02:56:10,670 --> 02:56:08,220
proving things and just start you know

4031
02:56:12,590 --> 02:56:10,680
going forward and researching more and

4032
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:12,600
being open to be able to do that within

4033
02:56:16,490 --> 02:56:14,160
all communities in science and working

4034
02:56:17,870 --> 02:56:16,500
together and then coming to a point that

4035
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:17,880
if it is extraterrestrial it's

4036
02:56:22,130 --> 02:56:19,920
interdimensional or it's actually in our

4037
02:56:24,290 --> 02:56:22,140
mind right it could be all of these

4038
02:56:25,730 --> 02:56:24,300
things so we need to be able to come to

4039
02:56:27,889 --> 02:56:25,740
a point where we're like okay let's just

4040
02:56:29,750 --> 02:56:27,899
stop pointing fingers and let science

4041
02:56:32,570 --> 02:56:29,760
and those communities start working

4042
02:56:36,349 --> 02:56:32,580
together then we'll get somewhere yeah

4043
02:56:38,809 --> 02:56:36,359
I'm I'm so excited for somebody like uh

4044
02:56:40,429 --> 02:56:38,819
you know ET lands you know they come

4045
02:56:42,110 --> 02:56:40,439
down we're waiting for those first words

4046
02:56:45,050 --> 02:56:42,120
and they go

4047
02:56:48,170 --> 02:56:45,060
where's Travis Walton he just wanted to

4048
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:48,180
say hello you know and he he right right

4049
02:56:52,969 --> 02:56:50,880
he needs that okay now in the short time

4050
02:56:54,950 --> 02:56:52,979
that we have left

4051
02:56:57,769 --> 02:56:54,960
have you seen

4052
02:57:04,250 --> 02:56:57,779
the triangle pick

4053
02:57:07,370 --> 02:57:04,260
Infamous triangle pick that went around

4054
02:57:09,410 --> 02:57:07,380
the security agencies in the

4055
02:57:11,690 --> 02:57:09,420
conversation I had a long conversation

4056
02:57:14,330 --> 02:57:11,700
with everybody from the debrief about

4057
02:57:15,769 --> 02:57:14,340
this uh I've seen some and I might be

4058
02:57:18,110 --> 02:57:15,779
wrong in what photo we're speaking to

4059
02:57:20,809 --> 02:57:18,120
but I have seen some photos that I can

4060
02:57:22,849 --> 02:57:20,819
talk to that might be it's not in the

4061
02:57:24,830 --> 02:57:22,859
debrief but that are but have been said

4062
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:24,840
that they're fake but I'm not sure if

4063
02:57:28,610 --> 02:57:25,920
that's the same photo that we're

4064
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:28,620
speaking about but I've I've Heard lots

4065
02:57:31,309 --> 02:57:30,000
of things that of the stuff that's come

4066
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:31,319
out and I've heard this triangle photo

4067
02:57:35,150 --> 02:57:33,359
too and to be honest I can't remember if

4068
02:57:37,969 --> 02:57:35,160
there's been a conversation if that's

4069
02:57:39,530 --> 02:57:37,979
the photo or not in our chat in the in

4070
02:57:40,969 --> 02:57:39,540
the debrief as well but I've heard a lot

4071
02:57:43,309 --> 02:57:40,979
of stuff that these are that they're

4072
02:57:45,110 --> 02:57:43,319
that it's fake that it's not real so I

4073
02:57:47,210 --> 02:57:45,120
don't actually know that would I would

4074
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:47,220
have to ask I would give Tim to that one

4075
02:57:51,950 --> 02:57:48,800
I know

4076
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:51,960
yeah Tim danced on this question just as

4077
02:57:56,690 --> 02:57:54,479
much as you're dancing right now and and

4078
02:58:01,010 --> 02:57:56,700
so did Mike I haven't talked to MJ about

4079
02:58:02,690 --> 02:58:01,020
it though okay is so what was in the

4080
02:58:04,130 --> 02:58:02,700
fake photograph are you saying you saw

4081
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:04,140
the fake one

4082
02:58:11,110 --> 02:58:05,040
I don't know if it's the right

4083
02:58:15,469 --> 02:58:13,190
because I don't want to say something

4084
02:58:18,469 --> 02:58:15,479
because in case I actually haven't seen

4085
02:58:21,290 --> 02:58:18,479
what we're talking about I think I have

4086
02:58:22,670 --> 02:58:21,300
but I'm also very mindful because I had

4087
02:58:24,349 --> 02:58:22,680
this conversation with Chris plane

4088
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:24,359
actually on the phone and we were

4089
02:58:28,429 --> 02:58:27,120
chatting and and I was like because I've

4090
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:28,439
seen you see so much stuff and people

4091
02:58:31,670 --> 02:58:29,760
have different conversations and I was

4092
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:31,680
like we did talk about a photo and he

4093
02:58:36,290 --> 02:58:32,880
was like oh I've heard everything's fake

4094
02:58:38,210 --> 02:58:36,300
as well so I don't know I I honestly

4095
02:58:40,670 --> 02:58:38,220
personally don't know and I can't tell

4096
02:58:42,889 --> 02:58:40,680
you if I did say yes or no or what it

4097
02:58:45,550 --> 02:58:42,899
looked like I I just probably would be

4098
02:58:50,990 --> 02:58:45,560
wrong did it involve water

4099
02:58:55,130 --> 02:58:53,510
my velvety ready for us to slip up and

4100
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:55,140
then Tim's gonna be like Chrissy you're

4101
02:59:01,790 --> 02:58:58,560
fired yeah yeah my velvety smooth radio

4102
02:59:03,650 --> 02:59:01,800
voice is is not compelling enough it's

4103
02:59:05,210 --> 02:59:03,660
just not going to make it happen you do

4104
02:59:06,830 --> 02:59:05,220
have one of the best radio voices no

4105
02:59:09,410 --> 02:59:06,840
you've got a great you should do you

4106
02:59:11,269 --> 02:59:09,420
know you should do a podcast I I was

4107
02:59:13,610 --> 02:59:11,279
thinking about it I was thinking I might

4108
02:59:14,570 --> 02:59:13,620
do one you should do a podcast now what

4109
02:59:16,610 --> 02:59:14,580
do you

4110
02:59:19,370 --> 02:59:16,620
um uh we've just got a minute left and

4111
02:59:23,690 --> 02:59:19,380
I'll say the best question for last what

4112
02:59:27,110 --> 02:59:23,700
do you think uh 2022 is going to bring

4113
02:59:29,630 --> 02:59:27,120
us and not only as a community but as

4114
02:59:32,990 --> 02:59:29,640
the world is this going to continue

4115
02:59:35,450 --> 02:59:33,000
moving as fast as it's been I think it's

4116
02:59:39,050 --> 02:59:35,460
gonna go faster I think it's going to

4117
02:59:41,450 --> 02:59:39,060
pick up we have too many communities

4118
02:59:43,490 --> 02:59:41,460
and there's too many there's too many

4119
02:59:45,170 --> 02:59:43,500
people talking about it like last year

4120
02:59:47,030 --> 02:59:45,180
we didn't have NASA and everybody having

4121
02:59:49,309 --> 02:59:47,040
these conversations everyone's having it

4122
02:59:51,710 --> 02:59:49,319
now so it's gonna pick up it will pick

4123
02:59:53,269 --> 02:59:51,720
up just to know what is going to pick up

4124
02:59:54,469 --> 02:59:53,279
I don't know if footage is going to be

4125
02:59:56,750 --> 02:59:54,479
released

4126
03:00:00,410 --> 02:59:56,760
I have no idea on that and what it might

4127
03:00:02,150 --> 03:00:00,420
look like but I think that if it's not

4128
03:00:03,710 --> 03:00:02,160
footage that's being whistleblowed it's

4129
03:00:05,450 --> 03:00:03,720
just going to be different organizations

4130
03:00:06,889 --> 03:00:05,460
talking about it and research more

4131
03:00:10,969 --> 03:00:06,899
research happening and more people

4132
03:00:15,050 --> 03:00:10,979
lobbying around it and I really hope

4133
03:00:16,730 --> 03:00:15,060
this Geneva at UFOs in San Marino I

4134
03:00:18,429 --> 03:00:16,740
really hope and if Lou is actually

4135
03:00:21,950 --> 03:00:18,439
listening please

4136
03:00:23,210 --> 03:00:21,960
I hope it happens I really do I think

4137
03:00:26,690 --> 03:00:23,220
that if we had something in United

4138
03:00:29,030 --> 03:00:26,700
Nations that solidifies this year

4139
03:00:31,010 --> 03:00:29,040
I'll be happy I'll be extremely happy

4140
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:31,020
because I think that needs to happen

4141
03:00:35,809 --> 03:00:33,600
next obviously science and not but we

4142
03:00:37,790 --> 03:00:35,819
need to have a role more Global

4143
03:00:40,429 --> 03:00:37,800
Connection with countries and the rest

4144
03:00:41,990 --> 03:00:40,439
of our data sharing and talking about

4145
03:00:43,490 --> 03:00:42,000
what does that look like and what do

4146
03:00:45,710 --> 03:00:43,500
they know because it's technology

4147
03:00:47,630 --> 03:00:45,720
they're it's everything it's it's

4148
03:00:49,490 --> 03:00:47,640
folklore it's history it's story it's

4149
03:00:50,990 --> 03:00:49,500
culture it's all of it and when we get

4150
03:00:53,630 --> 03:00:51,000
together as countries and have these

4151
03:00:55,070 --> 03:00:53,640
conversations we can I think solve

4152
03:00:56,570 --> 03:00:55,080
things a little bit quicker we're also

4153
03:00:58,070 --> 03:00:56,580
then comparing data with each other

4154
03:01:00,950 --> 03:00:58,080
which is something that we don't really

4155
03:01:03,170 --> 03:01:00,960
do very often well continued success

4156
03:01:06,410 --> 03:01:03,180
over at the debrief and you guys have

4157
03:01:08,750 --> 03:01:06,420
quickly become the center of the UFO

4158
03:01:10,969 --> 03:01:08,760
community and you represent us uh so

4159
03:01:13,490 --> 03:01:10,979
well how can everybody reach out to you

4160
03:01:15,170 --> 03:01:13,500
for sure they can go to the debrief.org

4161
03:01:16,610 --> 03:01:15,180
if they want to read our articles they

4162
03:01:19,070 --> 03:01:16,620
can go to our YouTube channel which is

4163
03:01:21,650 --> 03:01:19,080
the debrief we have tons of videos that

4164
03:01:23,269 --> 03:01:21,660
come out from Tech from news and then I

4165
03:01:25,309 --> 03:01:23,279
do so exclusive interviews and Tech

4166
03:01:27,530 --> 03:01:25,319
science and defense and obviously UFOs

4167
03:01:29,690 --> 03:01:27,540
if they want to follow me me on social

4168
03:01:31,670 --> 03:01:29,700
media they can go to Twitter and it's

4169
03:01:33,830 --> 03:01:31,680
Chrissy Newton it's my Twitter and then

4170
03:01:37,550 --> 03:01:33,840
my Instagram is being Chrissy Newton

4171
03:01:40,490 --> 03:01:37,560
thank you so much be safe out there and

4172
03:01:43,250 --> 03:01:40,500
I'm really bummed that Beethoven gave up

4173
03:01:45,650 --> 03:01:43,260
on me he went to bed actually he was

4174
03:01:47,269 --> 03:01:45,660
just he went outside I had to open the

4175
03:01:48,469 --> 03:01:47,279
door then he went outside and took a pee

4176
03:01:51,290 --> 03:01:48,479
and then he was like I'm done for

4177
03:01:53,809 --> 03:01:51,300
tonight he had a moment he had his

4178
03:01:56,690 --> 03:01:53,819
opportunity it was right there Chrissy

4179
03:01:59,269 --> 03:01:56,700
thank you so much be safe out there and

4180
03:02:01,450 --> 03:01:59,279
again uh continued success with the

4181
03:02:04,550 --> 03:02:01,460
debris thank you so much thank you Jimmy

4182
03:02:07,130 --> 03:02:04,560
perfect show tonight now that's when you

4183
03:02:09,469 --> 03:02:07,140
go pole to pole that was a perfect night

4184
03:02:12,429 --> 03:02:09,479
tonight and I want to remind everybody

4185
03:02:16,670 --> 03:02:12,439
that Marco vegado is with us tomorrow

4186
03:02:19,730 --> 03:02:16,680
Wednesday is TBA I gave you my reasons

4187
03:02:21,650 --> 03:02:19,740
everybody just relaxed Chrissy Newton

4188
03:02:23,389 --> 03:02:21,660
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03:02:25,670 --> 03:02:23,399
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03:02:57,290 --> 03:02:53,580
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4205
03:02:59,670 --> 03:02:57,300
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